Everything is Political
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Holdrüholoheuho
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Re: Everything is Political
obviously, the majority appreciates vulgarity, so don't constraint yourself and go foulmouthed to your heart's content
on the plus side, we probably don't need to vote anymore
the environment is fucked indefinitely
the environment is fucked indefinitely
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Holdrüholoheuho
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well, the inhabitants of the fascist states are still not deprived of the liberty to vote for the next CoMo.
i admit it's rather pointless but i count all votes diligently and i can guarantee no electoral fraud!
i admit it's rather pointless but i count all votes diligently and i can guarantee no electoral fraud!
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Monsieur Arkadin
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Some state margin shifts from 2020
NY: D+23 to D+10
NJ: D+16 to D+4
IL: D+17 to D+8
CT: D+20 to D+10
Trump's numbers held consistently. Which implies that the problem here was entirely the campaign's strategy. They focused on conservatives rejecting trump instead of motivating democrats (one of the exact same mistakes as Clinton in 2016). As a result they depressed the turnout of their own base, and didn't really flip Republicans. Which they should have known (Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line, etc. etc.)
I'm so exhausted with the Dems completely whiffing it, time and again, because they'd rather lose to fascists than get the votes of progressives.
NY: D+23 to D+10
NJ: D+16 to D+4
IL: D+17 to D+8
CT: D+20 to D+10
Trump's numbers held consistently. Which implies that the problem here was entirely the campaign's strategy. They focused on conservatives rejecting trump instead of motivating democrats (one of the exact same mistakes as Clinton in 2016). As a result they depressed the turnout of their own base, and didn't really flip Republicans. Which they should have known (Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line, etc. etc.)
I'm so exhausted with the Dems completely whiffing it, time and again, because they'd rather lose to fascists than get the votes of progressives.
yeah she coulda been that radical Marxist trump kept saying she was anyway 
maybe more racism and sexism? it's true the cheneys were no help. don't worry tho, trump will end all the wars
I've talked to people who voted trump because the stimulus checks had his name on them
I've talked to people who voted trump because the stimulus checks had his name on them
maybe we'll get a bird flu pandemic and they'll send those checks again. w rfk Jr in charge of health policy anythings possible!!
sry but i think we're screwed for the rest of my lifetime
the vast right wing conspiracy 50 yrs in the making has triumphed
sry but i think we're screwed for the rest of my lifetime
the vast right wing conspiracy 50 yrs in the making has triumphed
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Monsieur Arkadin
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I mean... the republicans think anyone short of the KKK are communists, and the dems don't realize what a gift that is. Instead of fighting back,l terrified of being seen as too far left, recognize you'll always be "too far left" and just announce 1 or 2 genuine populist policies.
Maybe I'm crazy. But I feel like there were so many ways to play this right, and her campaign swerved to avoid every one of them.
I'm just exhausted, and frustrated. Always constantly being told that my politics are too radical only for candidates to keep fucking losing with lame centrist policies... And now I have to go be some sort of guiding voice for 150 students who just voted for the first time and I don't know what to tell them.
it is very depressing to see the democrats blaming everybody but themselves.
biden ran as a "bridge" candidate - he was consistently signaling that he would only run for a single term. that the party at no point seemed to consider that his advancing age and senility - and rapidly declining popularity - were things that they should plan for isn't a surprise (see their behavior with the clearly senile dianne feinstein) but basically left them in a place where they thought they had no other chance but to run a candidate that was pretty unpopular not just nationally but within the party base.
and we can argue over the campaign blunders after that all we want, but this alone should be enough to have the party base demanding that heads roll!
biden ran as a "bridge" candidate - he was consistently signaling that he would only run for a single term. that the party at no point seemed to consider that his advancing age and senility - and rapidly declining popularity - were things that they should plan for isn't a surprise (see their behavior with the clearly senile dianne feinstein) but basically left them in a place where they thought they had no other chance but to run a candidate that was pretty unpopular not just nationally but within the party base.
and we can argue over the campaign blunders after that all we want, but this alone should be enough to have the party base demanding that heads roll!
that's all true - but the lights are going out all over the world
short of running the rock dwayne johnson i'm not sure how we could win this
we no longer have a shared reality - bannon/putin's goal all along
the major failure i see was allowing trump to run again - so appointing merrick fucking garland who was afraid to be too aggressive and pissing off the fascists
this is quite possibly the end of american hegemony so it's not all bad? but it's gonna be bad for the next decades
i'm sorry for young people :'( and glad i scheduled a trip to the birthplace of democracy in a few months
who knew trump would destroy both parties? maybe for the best
historians will ponder it if we survive
if anyone has a plan i'm down. i feel ok, i've been expecting it these last weeks. not a landslide tho
more than 90% of counties shifted toward trump. that is pretty terrifying
but i'm better off than most people. good luck everyone
WHEN DO WE START THE STEAL :p
short of running the rock dwayne johnson i'm not sure how we could win this
we no longer have a shared reality - bannon/putin's goal all along
the major failure i see was allowing trump to run again - so appointing merrick fucking garland who was afraid to be too aggressive and pissing off the fascists
this is quite possibly the end of american hegemony so it's not all bad? but it's gonna be bad for the next decades
i'm sorry for young people :'( and glad i scheduled a trip to the birthplace of democracy in a few months
who knew trump would destroy both parties? maybe for the best
historians will ponder it if we survive
if anyone has a plan i'm down. i feel ok, i've been expecting it these last weeks. not a landslide tho
more than 90% of counties shifted toward trump. that is pretty terrifying
but i'm better off than most people. good luck everyone
WHEN DO WE START THE STEAL :p
my post mortem, blame to go around, agree with most or all things already said:
• biden should always have been a one-term president, they should have known he would have trouble winning again (and that he probably shouldn't be president again even if he could win)
• the coronation of harris with no process was a bad idea. i still think she could have won, but the campaign seemed determined just to run a giant social experiment to test the validity of the median voter theorem, and we now know that theorem is disproved
• in the first couple of weeks post-biden, when harris was running a kind of celebrity campaign that offered something aspirational to younger voters, the campaign had a chance. she should have embraced a kind of populist leftism, that would have galvanized the base and appealed to those anti-political types who supported both bernie sanders and donald trump. instead she became a double-talking politician who had to word salad a lot of answers to justify switching positions from her primary run, and who couldn't distinguish herself from unpopular biden. and all this militaristic talk about maintaining a 'lethal' fighting force, and campaigning with dick cheney, it was just a u-turn on what made her appealing in the first place
• because she painted herself in a weird corner with her policy position flips, she couldn't just sit down with someone like rogan and have a conversation. i think she needed to do that. and even if she was a prosecutor by training, she did not prosecute the case against trump as effectively as many of her surrogates.
• the trump campaign timed some things a lot better than the harris campaign. the rogan endorsement the day before the election swayed some people for sure, there's reporting on that. the taylor swift endorsement should have happened much later on, timing it with the convention was pointless.
• but a lot of the problems predate the campaign -- it took feckless merrick garland two years to begin investigating a coup attempt we all saw on television. fani willis sabotaged a state-level prosecution where the crime was on audio tape. and some of the problems go back even further -- money should not equal speech, but because of citizens united, musk has an outsize influence. mitch mcconnell's successful efforts to thwart obama's plan to appoint garland as a supreme court justice meant garland was top of list for attorney general.
it's all sort of sickening.
• biden should always have been a one-term president, they should have known he would have trouble winning again (and that he probably shouldn't be president again even if he could win)
• the coronation of harris with no process was a bad idea. i still think she could have won, but the campaign seemed determined just to run a giant social experiment to test the validity of the median voter theorem, and we now know that theorem is disproved
• in the first couple of weeks post-biden, when harris was running a kind of celebrity campaign that offered something aspirational to younger voters, the campaign had a chance. she should have embraced a kind of populist leftism, that would have galvanized the base and appealed to those anti-political types who supported both bernie sanders and donald trump. instead she became a double-talking politician who had to word salad a lot of answers to justify switching positions from her primary run, and who couldn't distinguish herself from unpopular biden. and all this militaristic talk about maintaining a 'lethal' fighting force, and campaigning with dick cheney, it was just a u-turn on what made her appealing in the first place
• because she painted herself in a weird corner with her policy position flips, she couldn't just sit down with someone like rogan and have a conversation. i think she needed to do that. and even if she was a prosecutor by training, she did not prosecute the case against trump as effectively as many of her surrogates.
• the trump campaign timed some things a lot better than the harris campaign. the rogan endorsement the day before the election swayed some people for sure, there's reporting on that. the taylor swift endorsement should have happened much later on, timing it with the convention was pointless.
• but a lot of the problems predate the campaign -- it took feckless merrick garland two years to begin investigating a coup attempt we all saw on television. fani willis sabotaged a state-level prosecution where the crime was on audio tape. and some of the problems go back even further -- money should not equal speech, but because of citizens united, musk has an outsize influence. mitch mcconnell's successful efforts to thwart obama's plan to appoint garland as a supreme court justice meant garland was top of list for attorney general.
it's all sort of sickening.
to give them credit, they've been planning this for a long time. roger stone worked for nixon. the christofascists got in gear under reagan
the dems haven't coalesced on a vision/message in decades while GOP played the long game, even cheating multiple times
100% they should have been purged after january 6th. find one other country in history that allowed an attempted coup to go unpunished.
the dems got rolled but they were asking for it. also i didn't think i could like people even less than i already did
they should've stuck with the 'weird' angle too. that was working. then the vp debate made JD look normal
i'm glad i already watched the apprentice movie cuz it was kinda funny. roger stone was in it. and rupert murdoch. not so funny now
i do wonder about his tv show i never watched. is that why i'm not susceptible to his orange daddy charms
the dems haven't coalesced on a vision/message in decades while GOP played the long game, even cheating multiple times
100% they should have been purged after january 6th. find one other country in history that allowed an attempted coup to go unpunished.
the dems got rolled but they were asking for it. also i didn't think i could like people even less than i already did
they should've stuck with the 'weird' angle too. that was working. then the vp debate made JD look normal
i'm glad i already watched the apprentice movie cuz it was kinda funny. roger stone was in it. and rupert murdoch. not so funny now
i do wonder about his tv show i never watched. is that why i'm not susceptible to his orange daddy charms
sry, it's the rapist thing. either people don't believe women or they just don't care. it breaks my heart
#metoo happened like 5 years ago? it feels like backlash. at least many states affirmed abortion rights
when that cats and dogs thing became a meme it really bothered me. what kind of people are laughing at stuff like this. but i thought it was just the internet
it made him more popular than ever. people like that he bullies vulnerable people. he says what they're thinking
he won the popular vote by 8 million. unfuckingbelievable
#metoo happened like 5 years ago? it feels like backlash. at least many states affirmed abortion rights
when that cats and dogs thing became a meme it really bothered me. what kind of people are laughing at stuff like this. but i thought it was just the internet
it made him more popular than ever. people like that he bullies vulnerable people. he says what they're thinking
he won the popular vote by 8 million. unfuckingbelievable
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Evelyn Library P.I.
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My post mortem
I don't know why he won.
We don't know why Mussolini and Hitler got into power--know in the strong, counterfactual sense of knowing 'if X opposition party had done Y thing then they wouldn't have succeeded'--and I'm not sure we'll ever know in that strong sense with Trump either. Since none of us have a crystal ball to justify the counterfactuals, I don't directly blame anyone other than the people directly responsible: Trump, the people who worked for him and spread his views/lies, and the people who voted for him.
The one counterfactual I think we can know: If Trump hadn't run, we might not be here today. The market for U.S.-style neo-fascism was there already, and Trump successfully exploited that market. But it was at least possible that, Trump aside, no one would have successfully exploited the market. Yet if someone were alive long enough, charismatic enough, had enough capital to sustain their challenge, and wanted to exploit and foment a pre-existing desire for US-style neo-fascism, what could the Dems and independents have done? I wish I knew, just as I wish they'd known in Italy in the '20s (not elected, but) and in Germany in the '30s...
So, henceforth, I'll shut off the news again and stick to what I do know——old/new ideas from old books, old/new friends with old movies——and hopefully stay safe (and safely a woman) doing so. Wake me up if I need to get back to Canada before 2030...
I don't know why he won.
We don't know why Mussolini and Hitler got into power--know in the strong, counterfactual sense of knowing 'if X opposition party had done Y thing then they wouldn't have succeeded'--and I'm not sure we'll ever know in that strong sense with Trump either. Since none of us have a crystal ball to justify the counterfactuals, I don't directly blame anyone other than the people directly responsible: Trump, the people who worked for him and spread his views/lies, and the people who voted for him.
The one counterfactual I think we can know: If Trump hadn't run, we might not be here today. The market for U.S.-style neo-fascism was there already, and Trump successfully exploited that market. But it was at least possible that, Trump aside, no one would have successfully exploited the market. Yet if someone were alive long enough, charismatic enough, had enough capital to sustain their challenge, and wanted to exploit and foment a pre-existing desire for US-style neo-fascism, what could the Dems and independents have done? I wish I knew, just as I wish they'd known in Italy in the '20s (not elected, but) and in Germany in the '30s...
So, henceforth, I'll shut off the news again and stick to what I do know——old/new ideas from old books, old/new friends with old movies——and hopefully stay safe (and safely a woman) doing so. Wake me up if I need to get back to Canada before 2030...
the probability that jd vance is one day us president is about as terrifying as anything else i can think of right now
and he's 40
twitter turned out to be elon's best investment too, who woulda thought
stay safe evelyn, i'm so sorry about my fellow americans
twitter turned out to be elon's best investment too, who woulda thought
stay safe evelyn, i'm so sorry about my fellow americans
so sorry this has happened. this is insane. all thanks to ignorant, uneducated men and women.
i blame you for jinxing us pabs
the craziest part - a state like missouri overturned a full abortion ban and raised minimum wage and paid leave
and elected trump and sen josh hawley who oppose all those things
had a long chat with my sister in DC this morning. they're pretty devastated
we should've drafted dwayne the rock johnson
pour one out for democracy
the craziest part - a state like missouri overturned a full abortion ban and raised minimum wage and paid leave
and elected trump and sen josh hawley who oppose all those things
had a long chat with my sister in DC this morning. they're pretty devastated
we should've drafted dwayne the rock johnson
pour one out for democracy
Truly shocking, but it seems clear (now) that millions of people love fascists.
People simply seem to love their Napoleons, Lenins, Mussolinis, Hitlers, Stalins, Maos, Putins, Xis, Erdogans, Trumps, Netanyahus, Bolsonaros, etc. etc. etc.
I think it's time (at least for me) to finally give up wondering why people vote for hatred and killing and all those things, and probably wake up to the fact that people have been hating and killing and raping each other for thousands of years, and simply seem to enjoy it. They are simply evil and insane. That seems to be how millions (or nowadays probably billions) of people operate on a daily basis. Civilisation is just a facade, culture a fig leaf and ethics a joke.
It's obvious to me now that an idiot like Trump won, because millions of people love him and identify with him - how he acts, what he does, what he says.
People love criminals.
It probably is that easy.
PS: Yes, there still are sane human beings walking the earth, same as there were 20.000 years ago. It's just that they are definitely not in the majority.
People simply seem to love their Napoleons, Lenins, Mussolinis, Hitlers, Stalins, Maos, Putins, Xis, Erdogans, Trumps, Netanyahus, Bolsonaros, etc. etc. etc.
I think it's time (at least for me) to finally give up wondering why people vote for hatred and killing and all those things, and probably wake up to the fact that people have been hating and killing and raping each other for thousands of years, and simply seem to enjoy it. They are simply evil and insane. That seems to be how millions (or nowadays probably billions) of people operate on a daily basis. Civilisation is just a facade, culture a fig leaf and ethics a joke.
It's obvious to me now that an idiot like Trump won, because millions of people love him and identify with him - how he acts, what he does, what he says.
People love criminals.
It probably is that easy.
PS: Yes, there still are sane human beings walking the earth, same as there were 20.000 years ago. It's just that they are definitely not in the majority.
"I too am a child burned by future experiences, fallen back on myself and already suspecting the certainty that in the end only those will prove benevolent who believe in nothing." – Marran Gosov
Sounds like sound advice - as long as you are not persecuted or simply directly affected by all the madness happening around you.
"I too am a child burned by future experiences, fallen back on myself and already suspecting the certainty that in the end only those will prove benevolent who believe in nothing." – Marran Gosov
it really was mobilizing the fucking man-o-sphere internet trolls that put him over the top
same 4chan assholes from mubi days are now powerful influencers elevating their golden god emperor
i somehow never learned that it didn't matter how much i argued, my opinion was invalid by default
and i'm pretty sure i never will >:(
that's all i have to say about this, i was mentally prepared as much as i could be
thanks internet friend group xD
same 4chan assholes from mubi days are now powerful influencers elevating their golden god emperor
i somehow never learned that it didn't matter how much i argued, my opinion was invalid by default
and i'm pretty sure i never will >:(
that's all i have to say about this, i was mentally prepared as much as i could be
thanks internet friend group xD
Republican strategist Sarah Longwell, who studies focus groups, told NPR, “When I ask voters in focus groups if they think Donald Trump is an authoritarian, the #1 response by far is, ‘What is an authoritarian?’”
fuck around and find out
https://organizingmythoughts.org/beyond ... f-fascism/
fuck around and find out
https://organizingmythoughts.org/beyond ... f-fascism/
https://newrepublic.com/post/188197/tru ... dscape-fox
The answer is the right-wing media. Today, the right-wing media—Fox News (and the entire News Corp.), Newsmax, One America News Network, the Sinclair network of radio and TV stations and newspapers, iHeart Media (formerly Clear Channel), the Bott Radio Network (Christian radio), Elon Musk’s X, the huge podcasts like Joe Rogan’s, and much more—sets the news agenda in this country. And they fed their audiences a diet of slanted and distorted information that made it possible for Trump to win.
i think this is right tho it doesn't really matter now. we're in for all propaganda all the time
but harris began to flag in the wake of the stories that biden had stolen all the FEMA money and given it to undocumented immigrants
i don't think we can fix this
The answer is the right-wing media. Today, the right-wing media—Fox News (and the entire News Corp.), Newsmax, One America News Network, the Sinclair network of radio and TV stations and newspapers, iHeart Media (formerly Clear Channel), the Bott Radio Network (Christian radio), Elon Musk’s X, the huge podcasts like Joe Rogan’s, and much more—sets the news agenda in this country. And they fed their audiences a diet of slanted and distorted information that made it possible for Trump to win.
i think this is right tho it doesn't really matter now. we're in for all propaganda all the time
but harris began to flag in the wake of the stories that biden had stolen all the FEMA money and given it to undocumented immigrants
i don't think we can fix this
https://www.haymarketbooks.org/blogs/51 ... tting-free
haymarket books free ebooks for the apocalypse
sorry i can't exactly vent to my neighbors...
haymarket books free ebooks for the apocalypse
sorry i can't exactly vent to my neighbors...
as reagan once said, 'if you're explaining you're losing'
trying to explain to people the economy had made a great recovery from covid was never going to work when rent, groceries and gas are still too high
they don't believe trump will be a dictator since he wasn't in his first term and if his crimes were so serious, why wasn't he locked up already (good point!)
when trump was president abortion was legal but under biden abortion was illegal
i can see how low info voters went for trump. i know i'm not supposed to look down on them because they hate that! i'll try not to!
but electing a rapist makes me side eye everyone. and the way they memory holed the insurrection was fairly stunning
but hey maybe trump really did win in 2020 and the courts and everyone are against him!! i don't think we're too far from him ignoring court rulings entirely
also -and i have first hand knowledge here -some think the stimulus payments will come back because big daddy loves them so much
kicked in the teeth by the patriarchy again. this is how i'm feelng rn
trying to explain to people the economy had made a great recovery from covid was never going to work when rent, groceries and gas are still too high
they don't believe trump will be a dictator since he wasn't in his first term and if his crimes were so serious, why wasn't he locked up already (good point!)
when trump was president abortion was legal but under biden abortion was illegal
i can see how low info voters went for trump. i know i'm not supposed to look down on them because they hate that! i'll try not to!
but electing a rapist makes me side eye everyone. and the way they memory holed the insurrection was fairly stunning
but hey maybe trump really did win in 2020 and the courts and everyone are against him!! i don't think we're too far from him ignoring court rulings entirely
also -and i have first hand knowledge here -some think the stimulus payments will come back because big daddy loves them so much
kicked in the teeth by the patriarchy again. this is how i'm feelng rn
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Lencho of the Apes
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The opposite of 'reify' is... ?
thought it didn't matter who wins...
maybe we'll get lucky tho and trump and musk will crash the world economy. is that how we get rid of capitalism
note they only care about human trafficking if it's hillary and nancy on pedo island. women are the REAL child traffickers! it's the adrenochrome!!
maybe we'll get lucky tho and trump and musk will crash the world economy. is that how we get rid of capitalism
note they only care about human trafficking if it's hillary and nancy on pedo island. women are the REAL child traffickers! it's the adrenochrome!!
ok i'm over it. white people, fix your hearts or die