RESULTS - SCFZ 10th Anniversary Poll

[flip]

oh good to know about ICM -- i hadn't tried to make another list there in a few years. so maybe i will put the list up there too.

[cinesmith]

Among these 400, I am curious to know the ones with the fewest votes at Letterboxd or IMDB.

I went through my ballot just to see how mine stood up, Nearly half of them have under 5000 views on LB. 20 of those are under a 1000

[flip]

i posted the list to letterboxd, it would be nice of some people liked it so maybe it gets wider attention, and i always advertise the forum in the preamble text, so hopefully people with aligned tastes might join if they see the list:

https://letterboxd.com/fliptrotsky/list ... sary-poll/

[flip]

Among these 400, I am curious to know the ones with the fewest votes at Letterboxd or IMDB.

i actually can't work out how to sort a letterboxd list by views, but i sorted by "popularity" and looked at the views of the least "popular" films, and i think this might be all of the films with less than 500 letterboxd views (as of today) that made our list (there are tons in the 500-1000 views range also). two films with less than 500 views even made our top 100 -- the placing of the kidnapping (kirsanoff) in the final list is probably the most impressive:

261. Ala-Arriba! (Jose Leitao de Barros, 1942) -- 66 views
300. The Deserter (Leonide Moguy, 1939) -- 110 views
301. The Adventure of Faustus Bidgood (Michael Jones/Andy Jones, 1986) -- 139 views
302. Homecoming (Joe May, 1928) -- 140 views
303. You Take Care Now (Ann Marie Fleming, 1989) -- 168 views
304. The Poem of Hayachine Valley (Sumiko Haneda, 1982) -- 176 views
305. Mr. Shosuke Ohara (Hiroshi Shimizu, 1949) -- 210 views
198. The Banquet (Hasse Ekman, 1948) -- 213 views
306. Travelling Circus (Viet Linh, 1988) -- 244 views
262. Mad About Music (Norman Taurog, 1938) -- 319 views
37. The Kidnapping (Dimitri Kirsanoff, 1934) -- 380 views
307. The Satin Slipper (Manoel de Oliveira, 1985) -- 382 views
199. White Mountains (Melis Ubukeyev, 1965) -- 428 views
263. The Lighthouse Keepers (Jean Gremillon, 1929) -- 466 views
86. The Elegant Life of Mr. Everyman (Kihachi Okamoto, 1963) -- 492 views

[RogerTheMovieManiac]

A beautiful list of 400; the sort of list that deserves to be savoured and lead to exploration.

I love that ranked lists led to top-tier one-vote films making the cut.

Thank you, flip!

[Evelyn Library P.I.]

Delightful list. Highlighted, for me, by Mad About Music at 262!

[Angel]

the placing of the kidnapping (kirsanoff) in the final list is probably the most impressive

Big winner of the poll

[rischka]

yeah i voted for the kidnapping

300. The Deserter (Leonide Moguy, 1939) -- 110 views

iirc this was one of arthur's discoveries for the icm 500<400 list a few years ago

263. The Lighthouse Keepers (Jean Gremillon, 1929) -- 466 views

one of our forum faves (maybe brian's lighthouse theme?)

199. White Mountains (Melis Ubukeyev, 1965) -- 428 views

relic of a long ago mubi world cup

[rischka]

i guess i'm most proud of pushing two woman directed films into the top 20

Diversity and Equality Initiative

[flip]

i guess i'm most proud of pushing two woman directed films into the top 20

Diversity and Equality Initiative

as i was tabulating, i had the impression that women directors were doing really well, but i think i was a bit misled by seeing so many marguerite duras films. i did a quick comparison with our last poll, hopefully i didn't miss anyone:

10th anniversary poll
top 100: 9 women-directed films
101-200: 4 women-directed films

6th anniversary poll
top 100: 6 women-directed films
101-200: 5 women-directed films


so there's a 50% increase in the top 100, but only an 18% increase in the top 200 overall. but for comparison, the new sight+sound poll (with jeanne dielman first) has this breakdown:

top 100: 10 women-directed films
101-200: 10 women-directed films

[RogerTheMovieManiac]

The Moguy and Ubukeyev are wonderful entries indeed.

I just realised I listed the former under its French title. Apologies about that! Hope it didn't throw anything off.

[brian d]

263. The Lighthouse Keepers (Jean Gremillon, 1929) -- 466 views

one of our forum faves (maybe brian's lighthouse theme?)

does this mean i can take credit for all 466 of those views? cause i think i will...

[flip]

I just realised I listed the former under its French title. Apologies about that! Hope it didn't throw anything off.

no, that's cool, but i appreciate the concern! french titles are almost never a problem, because i speak french. i usually list a film under the title i think is most commonly used (so i listed los olvidados that way, for example), but with the moguy film, i just guessed the deserter is probably the most likely title if it screened in an english cinema. but i might be wrong about that, had never heard of the film before this poll.

[flip]

and i noticed, looking up women directors in the 6th anniversary poll (our previous one, i think), that the lighthouse keepers was 31st in that poll, and who knows how few views it had five years ago!

[RogerTheMovieManiac]

I just realised I listed the former under its French title. Apologies about that! Hope it didn't throw anything off.

no, that's cool, but i appreciate the concern! french titles are almost never a problem, because i speak french. i usually list a film under the title i think is most commonly used (so i listed los olvidados that way, for example), but with the moguy film, i just guessed the deserter is probably the most likely title if it screened in an english cinema. but i might be wrong about that, had never heard of the film before this poll.

It's a remarkable near-real-time sojourn away from wartime, with a soldier returning briefly to his town after his train is stopped due to bomb damage. The way the time pressures, the personal connections, the interactions and journeying are handled is quite beautiful.

My thinking was that the French title would be the go-to title, but 'The Deserter' sounds good as well.

Just glad I could help it appear here!

[rischka]

arthur got a film in and didn't even vote

[rischka]

how did ozu barely make the top 100 -- can we just say he's objectively the best director in history

i think i minimized him to 1 film since i imagined him getting lots of votes but it's probably a case of too many favorites. we love you ozu

no surprise shimizu is the highest placed japanese director but this list is highly eurocentric. i'm glad i boosted king hu

nice to see nazareno cruz make a good showing too.

i considered close-up and should've kept it

[flip]

i'm actually amazed a rohmer film did so well, because i think of him like ozu in the sense that he's widely admired here, but for dozens of different films (whereas someone like parajanov gets votes concentrated around just a couple of films). the more prolific and consistent directors get a lot of votes, but divided among a lot of films, which can work against them. i could do this for more directors, but if i add up all the points every ozu film got, and all the points every rohmer film got, these are the totals:

eric rohmer: 64 points
yasujiro ozu: 63 points

for comparison, directors like john ford and howard hawks got 30-35 points each across all their films.

i'm guessing these are the top three, but i didn't check enough others to be totally sure: lubitsch gets 96, godard gets 88, bunuel gets 84

[---]

might be a bit off but i think

akerman 73
monteiro 63 (including 33 from brian alone!!!)

[flip]

by my count:

chantal akerman: 67
joao csear monteiro: 64

and i looked up a few others i thought might place well, and these were the highest totals:

buster keaton: 66
alain resnais: 65
robert bresson: 52

it seems a good measure of scfz's favourite directors, can check anyone else if there are suggestions

[Zulawski]

A fine list!

I'm amazed that scfz is still active after all these years. Makes me very happy

[St. Gloede]

In terms if stats one thing i found very interesting is just how dominant France was in this poll.

French films captured half of the top 10, and while the dominance slipped, they still took up 23% of the top 100.

By comparison, the US had 2 films in the top 10 and 17 in the top 100.

Close to two 3rds of the films in the top 100 were also from Europe, with 8 in the top 10 and 63% overall, unless I miscounted.

[flip]

it might be interesting to make a list excluding usa/europe, maybe i'll do that in a couple of days (moving weekend for me!).

[rischka]

i hope i don't see y'all discriminating against white people over here.../s

[rischka]

KIDDING

eric rohmer: 64 points
yasujiro ozu: 63 points

yes this is interesting ozu's highest film ended up at #78 and rohmer is #5 - the green ray a consensus pick. i just don't get it

i should've voted late spring instead of early summer *sigh*

[shara]

it might be interesting to make a list excluding usa/europe, maybe i'll do that in a couple of days (moving weekend for me!).

yeah, that would be quite interesting! as a latin american, i'm curious to see what the list would look like with this cut.

i even thought about granting a vote in each tier to certain directors (godard, mizoguchi, ozu, rivette, monteiro, etc) because they have such a wonderful filmography and i couldn't highlight just two or three of their films.