SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter

[rischka]

greennui knows what i like

Wish I knew my own taste as well as yours!

i'm so predictable u haven't steered me wrong yet (cept that Rollin thing but I might go back to it someday)

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considering my own countrymen, maybe Jaromil Jireš might be popular enough??? (if counting right, seen 15 — subtitled 3)
plus last time, i was suggesting as the second option Angela Schanelec and we didn't count her viewings (i have seen 6 — but i would watch 3-4 more for the poll).
so, one (any) of these two would be great.

i'm guessing schanelec just hasn't made enough films (that are viewable) for almost anyone to have seen the 10+ we need someone to have seen. jires would definitely work if a couple of others had seen 6 or more, but i'm not optimistic at this point we'll find those people either i'll definitely wait until tomorrow, but if you have any alternate suggestions that'd be great!

[brian d]

i only have 5 by jireš

[john ryan]

I've seen 8 Schanelac. Only 1 Jireš.

[Holdrüholoheuho]

so (considering the paralel 1929 poll) what about Hans Richter??? (i have cca 6 but can easily get to 10)
or eventually Volker Schlöndorff??? (i have 8 and would be able to reach 10)

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i've seen 8 by richter, and i'm sure i haven't seen the most of anyone around here, so if someone has seen 10, he'll work for sure.

i've only seen 3 by schlorndorff, but i imagine some people have seen more.

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I have 8 jires

[greennui]

8 Richter
8 Schlöndorff

[oscarwerner]

Can`t help with Werner Schroeter
But i have :
13 Volker Schlöndorff
3 Hans Richter
2 Jaromil Jires
and
1 Angela Schanelec

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okay, schlorndorff definitely meets the criteria, and if we have someone with 10+ richter seen, then richter does too...

[Holdrüholoheuho]

if Richter will pass (hopefully, someone will appear) i prefer him (due to the 1929 poll) -------- and Schlöndorff can be sparred for later.

[Holdrüholoheuho]

I have 8 jires

cool! despite i heavily overestimated his international fame, nice to see a fellow jires enthusiast.

[greennui]

Can you extend this poll to next friday flip? Would like to fit in Goldflocken.

Gonna tell my kids this was Kate Bush and Boy George:



If you liked Johannas Traum then you should def watch Malibran, jiri. I think JT is mostly made up of unused footage from Malibran.

[Holdrüholoheuho]

i am in the middle of Malibran right now. (i couldn't ignore all the praise above.)
and i am also pleading for extending this poll.
i still wish to watch after Malibran at least Deux and Rosekönig and don't want to skip cup movies either (so would like to watch the remaining films for this poll next week).
unfortunately, my lately idling in yolo economy is over, i am back in sweatshop mode and thus it is harder to find time for movies.

[greennui]

Goldflocken - No subs but who cares!¨

[rischka]

aren't german and swedish almost the same i'm still going to watch der rosenkonig

[greennui]

German was just one of the languages, did have german hardsubs that I sort of understood when I concentrated.

Deux. Schroeter in madcap mode. Huppert rampaging all over the place, chasing foxes and performing cabaret songs. Bulle Ogier smoking joints, having threesomes and so forth.

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haven't seen any of this guy's movies but i hope the lakers resign him

[rischka]

der tod der maria malibran
willow springs
der rosenkönig

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i'm not familiar enough with schroeter and his reception to know how conventional or surprising our poll results are:

results

1. The Death of Maria Malibran (1972) — 10.5 pts
2. Palermo or Wolfsburg (1980) — 7 pts
3. Willow Springs (1973) — 6.3 pts
4. Johannas Traum (1975) — 4.5 pts
5. Der Rosenkonig (1986) — 4 pts
6. Day of the Idiots (1981) — 3 pts
6. Aggression (1968) — 3 pts
8. Der Bomberpilot (1970) — 2 pts
8. Argila (1969) — 2 pts
8. Malina (1991) — 2 pts
11. The Kingdom of Naples (1978) — 1 pt
11. Goldflocken (1976) — 1 pt
13. Eika Katappa (1969) — 0.3 pts

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and it looks like volker schlorndorff was due to be our next poll, so i'll start that up tomorrow! (unless someone has a lot of hans richter views and posts between now and then)

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i have posted this to letterboxd:

https://letterboxd.com/fliptrotsky/list ... -poll-276/

[St. Gloede]

I see I didn't vote here, but also wouldn't have had anything to vote for. Given him 3 chances so far, with Der Tod der Maria Malibran, Willow Springs and Der Bomberpilot. Found all rather repellent and not in a good way. I could appreciate certain visual touches, and can see a kinship with von Syderberg and Ottinger (both of who I'm a relative fan of), but here any promising atmosphere and exciting compositions/stylistic flares is often killed off by elements that just don't work for me (yet) and just strike me as downright aesthetically ugly. That may just be the effect it is going for, but the execution is just not something I can connect with. Ratings so far: 5/10, 4/10, 2/10.

Many images from his films still strike me as tantalizing and exciting though, and I will likely be drawn in again. The screenshots shared above just confirm that.

[nrh]

Given him 3 chances so far, with Der Tod der Maria Malibran, Willow Springs and Der Bomberpilot.

love all 3 of those but i'd say they are well within his very underground/avant-garde period. not sure you'd like any of the post '78 stuff all that much more but the aesthetics definitely shift as he gets access to larger budgets and canvasses to work with.