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giving a small top five (that is, until i watch more)!

juliet in paris (claude miller)
belle de jour (luis bunuel)
valley of the dolls (mark robson)
spider baby (jack hill)
the trip (roger corman)

i do have to highlight violated angels (koji wakamatsu), though. it's exploitative, sure, but it's in a genre that makes its name on exploitation. however, it's INCREDIBLY creepy.
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Portrait Of Jason knocked my socks off. Sure to go on the list. Sorry, Que Hombre Tan SIn Embargo.
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PlayTime (Jacques Tati)
Cool Hand Luke (Stuart Rosenberg)
The Big Gundown (Sergio Sollima)
Le Samourai (Jean-Pierre Melville)

Return of the Prodigal Sun (Evald Schorm)
The Young Girls of Rochefort (Jacques Demy)
Samurai Rebellion (Kobayashi Masaki)
The Crush (Ermanno Olmi)

Warrendale (Allan King)
Marketa Lazarova (Frantisek Vlacil)
The College Girl Murders (Alfred Vohrer)
The Mitten (Roman Kachanov)

The Two of Us (Claude Berri)
Mouchette (Robert Bresson)
Japanese Summer: Double Suicide (Nagisa Oshima)
White, White Storks (Ali Khamraev)

La Collectionneuse (Eric Rohmer)
Oedipus Rex (Pier Paolo Pasolini)
The Red and the White (Miklos Jancso)
Love Affair, or the Case of the Missing Switchboard Operator (Dusan Makavejev)
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Lencho of the Apes wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:37 pm Portrait Of Jason knocked my socks off. Sure to go on the list. Sorry, Que Hombre Tan SIn Embargo.
:cry: loved it! i've somehow meant to watch this for at least ten years so thx ♥♥♥

hipster carl lee being an asshole in the background
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Lencho of the Apes wrote: Sat Jun 15, 2024 6:37 pm Portrait Of Jason knocked my socks off. Sure to go on the list.
I didn't know that was a '67! So I'm adding it to my list too now.
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Another really striking movie I turned up...
Monday's Child - Leopoldo Torres Nilsson. In English, stars Arthur Kennedy and Geraldine Page. Shot by Alex Philips. Torres Nilsson loved his dysfunctional families, didn't he? This'n's Journey To Italy by way of Who's Afraid Of Virginia Woolf, and it's also about white privilege getting a reality check in the face of third world pov. There's a shitty print on archive.org, as La Chica De Lunes, and if you have access to a better copy... cool!
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did your copy have hard coded spanish subs? seems to be the only existing copy ripped from tv

this was part of the (practically forgotten) Telsun project -- http://www.tvparty.com/fall-un.html

the programs recieved a lot of pushback from the john birch society :?

carol for another christmas (1964) w/sterling hayden (d. joseph manciewicz and written by rod serling)
who has seen the wind? (1965) w/edward g robinson (d. george sidney) no sign of this one sadly
once upon a tractor (1965) w/alan bates ! (also directed by torres nilsson)
the poppy is also a flower (1966) w/omar sharif and marcello mastroianni among many others !! (d. terence young and written by ian fleming)

la chica de lunes /monday's child is believed to be the lost 5th episode of 6 (the last was never produced)

thx for the heads up!
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Hard-coded subs, yup, and the infrequent bits in Spanish not translated.

That's really interesting, that TELSUN article. Never knew about that. Oddly, I watched Poppy... Flower about two months ago. It was indeed that bad.
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godard double feature -- very amusing

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Protest (1967, Fadil Hadzic)

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A must see! One of the bravest films of the period often referred to as the Yugoslav Black Wave. Here we see a world so bleak and self-serving that it pushes a man to suicide - but what exactly made him do it?
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Marketa Lazarová
Elvira Madigan
In Cold Blood
Point Blank

PlayTime
The Producers
The Two of Us
The Graduate

Belle de Jour
Le Samouraï
Oedipus Rex
Love Affair, or the Case of the Missing Switchboard Operator

Branded to Kill
Bonnie and Clyde
Who's That Knocking at My Door
Cool Hand Luke

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Westerplatte Resists
Titicut Follies
The Fearless Vampire Killers
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would be funny if playtime didn't win this one after winning the overall poll.

la collectionneuse
playtime
casino royale
two for the road
elvira madigan

deadly sweet
david holzman's diary
the graduate
branded to kill
face to face

titicut follies
the red and the white
accident
july rain
point blank

the producers
the young girls of rochefort
la cotta
le départ
belle de jour

definitely a few i need to watch/re-watch before submitting the ballot but this'll do for now
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Cruces sobre el yermo (Crosses Over the Wasteland)
Dance of the Vampires
Du bei dao (The One-Armed Swordsman)
En la selva no hay estrellas (No Stars in the Jungle)
Koruto wa ore no pasupooto (A Colt Is My Passport)
La piel quemada (Burnt Skin)
Largo Viaje (A Long Journey)
Les aventuriers (The Last Adventure)
L'immorale (The Climax)
Midaregumo (Scattered Clouds)
Nezabyvaemoe (The Unforgettable)
Night of the Big Heat
Oi sfaires den gyrizoun piso (Bullets Don't Come Back)
Point Blank
Romance pro kridlovku (Romance for Bugle)
Shôwa zankyô-den: Chizome no karajishi (Dragon Tattoo, Full of Blood)
The Dirty Dozen
The Honey Pot
Up the Down Staircase
Ying xiong ben se (The Story of a Discharged Prisoner)

Deliberately excluded (IMDb/Lbxd/S&S/TSPDT top 500):
2 ou 3 choses que je sais d'elle
Belle de jour
Bonnie and Clyde
Cool Hand Luke
Fuses
Jôi-uchi: Hairyô tsuma shimatsu
Le Samouraï
Les demoiselles de Rochefort
Marketa Lazarová
Mouchette
PlayTime
Portrait of Jason
Soleil Ô
Terra em Transe
The Graduate
Wavelength
Week End

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El último sábado
Les compagnons de la marguerite
Tätowierung
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watched the suicide movie and
Spoiler!
glad he hadn't completely forgotten his wife and kids
i like this kind of forensic exploration and i like this actor

i really wanna see him in l'odissea :cry:

and now for something more hopeful? romance for bugle (vavra)

edit: getting tired of how sexist the sixties were now. at least there were cats

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rischka wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2024 10:13 pm Image

watched the suicide movie and
Spoiler!
glad he hadn't completely forgotten his wife and kids
i like this kind of forensic exploration and i like this actor
So happy you decided to check it out and enjoyed it.

After seeing Protest I jumped back in Fadil Hadzic's filmography, and he did at least two more forensic films like this, with increasing pessimism. In Official Position (1964) Yugoslavia is filled backhanded deals and corruption, but there are still those with principles, though it still had the message that everyone is corruptible. In Back of the Medal (1965) the pessimism is pushed up further, as a "good communist" is sentenced for embezzling her company, and the detective having second thoughts about the case encounters a cess-pool, and even the communists aren't spared this time, with her decorated husband also being a drunkard and abuser. However, Protest does stand out as the most potent. It's just all black. The companies are dismissing worker management (while in Official Position, Marija, the president if the union, has the most power), here the person standing up for the people is shut out and destroyed - and even he is a pretty pitiful sight, a cheater, drunkard, and as the film goes on possibly murderous.

Watching films from this period if Yugoslavia's history is so interesting as there seems to be a curve that gets more and more pessimistic and rebellious up to about '69 (then the government/censors put the foot down).
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SHAME (Ladislav Helge, 1967)

summary & synopsis → https://www.filmovyprehled.cz/en/film/396726/shame
it's a SHAME i didn't watch it before (it's going straight to my ballot), the cz new wave hidden gem!

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In 1967, he [Ladislav Helge] shot the political film Stud (Shame), which, however, was not distributed until the spring of 1968. The filming of the upcoming film How to Bake Bread (again based on Kříž's script) did not happen. Due to his organizational and political involvement, which culminated in his work for the Union of Film and Television Artists FITES (at the founding convention in 1965 he was elected vice-chairman, in 1969-70 he was the head secretary of the Czech part of the already federalized FITES) and the position of chairman of the reformed Coordinating Committee of Creative Unions (1968-70), was dismissed from the FSB (Film Studios Barrandov) in 1971 for political reasons and subjected to persecution. He was allowed to work as a dubbing director for another year, but then all activities in the field of culture were made impossible for him. For five years he worked at the counter at the post office and earned extra money as a clerk in a tire repair shop.
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Sounds like a film I need to get to as well. Cheers.
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i'm downloading it, gonna take like 12 hours xD
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ofrene wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:27 am
rischka wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 3:11 am
the bulgarians seem delightful !! ♥ ♥ ♥ sally thank you for this wonderful discovery this is why you can never never leave :cry:
is there any better copy of this??
ofrene did you find this. i could upload it if someone needs it
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rischka wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2024 7:01 pm
ofrene wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 10:27 am
rischka wrote: Mon Jun 10, 2024 3:11 am
the bulgarians seem delightful !! ♥ ♥ ♥ sally thank you for this wonderful discovery this is why you can never never leave :cry:
is there any better copy of this??
ofrene did you find this. i could upload it if someone needs it
nope i'm not kg user.. but find 720p? copy on rarefilmm
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oh excellent :)
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stud/shame is pretty amazing. not surprised it was banned on release, i am surprised it wasn't destroyed. a very frank portrait of a man struggling with his own moral corruption

also monday's child - shockingly unhollywood! and my mom thought i was a brat :?
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I just caught Stud / Shame as well, and I echo what everyone else are saying. I loved just how well the lead was drawn out in his own hypocrisy and relative corruption (for all his feigning of ignorance). He refuses to believe or hear any criticism of people in power and only gives small concessions, step, by step, by step until his worldview starts to crumble. In many ways it is as great a character study as it is social critique. The climax itself might be a little overwrought, but that's a minor complaint. 8.5/10

Other '67 films seen since my last update:

Skinny and Others (Henryk Kluba) - Talking about brave Communist bloc films, this one is another heavy hitter - here with an utterly disengaged working class, othering and bullying the sole party member in their crew - and said party member is also more or less what they expect him to be and judge him for. No one is nice or clear. There's some darkly comedic touches, but the drama also hits, while the glory of advancement feels mocked and belittled. The BW cinematography is also excellent. 8/10


L'inconnu de Shandigor (Jean-Louis Roy) - Georgously shot BW spy satire, that is a bit too slim and silly, but consistently entertaining. 7/10


The Taming of the Shrew (Franco Zeffirelli) - More fun and indulgent than expected, they really just went for an all-out silly romp, with a bit of camp and a very big wink in its eyes. 7/10


Beginning of an Unknown Era (Larisa Shepitko, Andrey Smirnov) - Surprisingly it is Sheptiko's short that's the lesser film here, while Smirnov's, albeit a little slim, has a lot of raw power. The film is missing the now lost 3rd short, so hard to judge, and it was buried for just being too politically incorrect in showing a post-revolution USSR in devastation and suffering. 6.5/10


Entre la mer et l'eau douce (Michel Brault) - An odd attempt of fiction by one of Canada's greatest documentarians. The visuals are pretty great, and there's strong touches throughout, but it feels somewhat awkward, shallow and flat as a whole - even with all its attempts at youthful energy. 5.5/10


Théâtre de Monsieur & Madame Kabal (Walerian Borowczyk) - I never cared for Borowczyk so this was a gamble, but the minimalist and absurd animation drew me in - and you know what, pause it at many moments and there's some really cool imagery here. However, it is just too repetitive, and end up being frustrating more than anything else. 5/10


The Last Adventure (Robert Enrico) - Such a bizarre film. The pacing and plotting is almost otherwordly/absurd - from spending an opening 30 minutes setting up a bromance/adventure, to turning it into an adventure film, then thriller. Parts of the film is all vibe. Too bad Enrico's direction isn't anything "more", as it feels flat, dull and awkward rather than magnificent. Give this to someone like Jakubisko and it would probably have been a masterpiece. 5/10
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how come no one does this?? i only remember michael ballhaus in one of fassbinder's films. if i made films i'd do this all the time and people would get sick of it :lol:

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it's muratova's brief encounters which i confess i watched at some point in the past and wasn't into at all. this film has a fascinating structure of 3 separate non-sequential timelines so it's like a puzzle - it was banned for violating rules of soviet realism but it's human relationships seem realistic enough. i was annoyed that a man who doesn't even appear in the main timeline is the focal point of the film lol but he charmed me (apparently he was a soviet pop star?) so i got over it. well done kira muratova. also the circling shot near the end. i should check out more of her films!
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masumura's two wives is crazy!! i'm gonna have to completely reconfigure my list... maybe tmrw

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As crazy as Suzuki's "Branded to Kill" ? Wow, insane. Not going on my 1967 list.

Actually it is going on my ballot, to make it even-numbered and enable me to form tiers. :D

nope, it's off my list now, i found something to replace it.
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yeah you got me, not as crazy as that

i'm gonna have to watch masumura's other '67 films now...
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oook love for an idiot is too lolita for me. it is funny but very uncomfortable to watch. ick

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the wife of seishu hanaoka features takamine and ayako as mother and daughter-in-law in a fierce battle of wills. this is a very tough watch - many dead kittens for a start

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3 strong films from masumura this year. two shindo scripts with ayako; the perverse sex comedy (the best looking imo) is by ichiro ikeda

strong female characters galore - mostly behaving badly. and the men are worse!! now gotta watch the hoodlum priest :lol:
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Really liked his TWO WIVES. The only new watch made the list:

Mouchette
Samurai Rebellion
The Red and the White
The Plea

Marketa Lazarova
The Firemen's Ball
Oedipus Rex
The White, White Storks

Commissar
Love Affair or the Case
In the Town of S.
Flame in the Valley

Martyrs of Love
I Even Met Happy Gypsies
Two Wives
In the Country of St Patrick

No Stars in the Jungle
Brief Encounters
The Unforgettable
The Birch Tree
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