DtC voting and watching

[flip]

Highest average rating:
lovericekim-4,95

this is the one issue i have with the tabulation (getting voters to rate each individual film is the best system, overall, but it's still not perfect). when one voter gives an average rating of almost 5, really what you're partly measuring when averaging the ratings is "did lovericekim see this movie?" the movies lovericekim has not seen do not get the benefit of their generosity.

imo the fairest system would rescale each voter's ratings so their average rating was reasonably close to the overall average rating, so that films seen by the harshest critics aren't overly penalized, and films seen by the easiest graders do not overly benefit. i'd be happy to help with the math if there's any interest in introducing that kind of change.

[Angel]

Highest average rating:
lovericekim-4,95

this is the one issue i have with the tabulation (getting voters to rate each individual film is the best system, overall, but it's still not perfect). when one voter gives an average rating of almost 5, really what you're partly measuring when averaging the ratings is "did lovericekim see this movie?" the movies lovericekim has not seen do not get the benefit of their generosity.

imo the fairest system would rescale each voter's ratings so their average rating was reasonably close to the overall average rating, so that films seen by the harshest critics aren't overly penalized, and films seen by the easiest graders do not overly benefit. i'd be happy to help with the math if there's any interest in introducing that kind of change.

lovericekim's ballot is a extreme case because she only rated 39 films, mostly favorites. The system is far from perfect and this is not the best way to play, but that's life!

[cinesmith]

How did I miss this entirely?!?

[rischka]

How did I miss this entirely?!?

probably because it started when the forum was down

[St. Gloede]

How did I miss this entirely?!?

You might get an exemption to vote as the results are not live yet. There is a spreadsheet shared over at the ICM forum that does the ratings for you automatically based on your IMDb votes if you don't have the time to do it manually.

[Mario Gaborovic]

How did I miss this entirely?!?

Come over to the ICM community.

Here is the thread:
https://forum.icmforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=6870

[Angel]

BBC tables don't work here, so you'll have to see the results at the ICMforum.

[rischka]

thanks for your work angel ♥

[flip]

so far one of my nominees got in, arrival (mani kaul), and another, play (gholam reza ramezani), had an average rating over the threshold but not enough votes overall. so already a more successful year for my noms than i've had in a few years i think!

thanks for all your work, angel

[Angel]

Hermann Kösterlitz's Katharina, die Letzte was my favorite discovery this year. Thanks for that, flip, and better luck next year.

[flip]

Hermann Kösterlitz's Katharina, die Letzte was my favorite discovery this year.

oh cool, i love that movie! it only got three votes, but they were 6, 6, and 5, so maybe it has a chance in the future. hermann kosterlitz later became henry koster, director of several deanna durbin films, but he had already developed a great feel for comedy before he moved to the states (the following year).

[RogerTheMovieManiac]

I've been meaning to see 'Katharina, die Letzte' for years. 6, 6, and 5 are super scores, so it has great potential. Looking forward to it!

[rischka]

Pêcheur d'Islande didn't make it. one of the best films i've seen last year. i forget there are so many silent haters at ICM

[greennui]

Pêcheur d'Islande didn't make it. one of the best films i've seen last year. i forget there are so many silent haters at ICM

Thought that one would be a shoe-in

[Angel]

Pêcheur d'Islande didn't make it. one of the best films i've seen last year. i forget there are so many silent haters at ICM

Thought that one would be a shoe-in

Where is Sally when you need her?

[jal90]

Pêcheur d'Islande didn't make it. one of the best films i've seen last year. i forget there are so many silent haters at ICM

It seems it just wasn't seen enough, with 8 votes the trends could go anywhere. A lot of my nominations didn't have a substantial amount of viewers either (including one (1, my ) vote to an animation that is available on YouTube, that speaks volumes to my lack of promotion), so I can't make a proper judgement.

Violent Saturday is the one that's left in my case and I don't think it's going to make it so... three DtCs this year it will be.

[rischka]

you've done way better than me

[rischka]

oh! I got a holdover on rio Zona Norte! woooooot

[jal90]

you've done way better than me

The ones that got in from my noms were safer I think, and also more widely watched so I had a better idea of their chances. One of them (Marona) was featured in one of the film festivals of the forum.

Anyway, I'd like to check your noms, sadly I couldn't before the deadline but they all look very interesting.

[rischka]

i gave violent saturday 5 as promised

[jal90]

i gave violent saturday 5 as promised

Yay!

I think it has a chance then!

[flip]

i gave it a 4, which is a helpful vote

[jal90]

That makes three

[rischka]

sorry we couldn't come through for you jal90

[jal90]

Oh, thanks a lot for the support! It got similar results from last year in the end, so it seems positive and negative votes were evened out. I may try it again next year.

[ofrene]

if i didn't forget voting i'd give Pêcheur d'Islande 6...;(

[oOgiandujaOo]

Highest average rating:
lovericekim-4,95

this is the one issue i have with the tabulation (getting voters to rate each individual film is the best system, overall, but it's still not perfect). when one voter gives an average rating of almost 5, really what you're partly measuring when averaging the ratings is "did lovericekim see this movie?" the movies lovericekim has not seen do not get the benefit of their generosity.

imo the fairest system would rescale each voter's ratings so their average rating was reasonably close to the overall average rating, so that films seen by the harshest critics aren't overly penalized, and films seen by the easiest graders do not overly benefit. i'd be happy to help with the math if there's any interest in introducing that kind of change.

lovericekim's ballot is a extreme case because she only rated 39 films, mostly favorites. The system is far from perfect and this is not the best way to play, but that's life!

This ballot did raise an eyebrow for me too. FWIW I don't think we can assume that loveicekim is a generous rater. They may have felt they didn't have time to do a full ballot and just went favourite spotting on the ballot paper.

Judging on their ICM profile they mostly watch Korean movies, so that could be another reason for a short ballot, they voted mostly on the subset of very high quality Korean movies that were nominated.

I do think that for a more mainstream voter, that they're unlikely to choose 6 under the old system, "deserves to be in the TSPDT top 600" to quote from memory, because in their mind the best films are already in the TSPDT top 600.

There could be some merit in requiring people to curve fit their ballots, but I think people just wouldn't want to do that.

[oOgiandujaOo]

Final result for my own noms was:
Incorporated into DtC: The Small World of Sammy Lee (1963 - Ken Hughes) 3.73/11
Holdover: Consuming Spirits (2012 - Chris Sullivan) 4.14/7

My biggest regret was
Les bas-fonds / The Lower Depths (1936 - Jean Renoir) 3.50/24
I really love the hell out of that movie

My take home is not to give up on nominating, 2 of my all time favourites made the list this year, films that I had nominated 3 times before without success.

My long term project has been to get this movie in:
Club de femmes (1936 - Jacques Deval) 3.83/6
I've nominated it 4 times now starting with the result of 4.00/3 in 2017
If all I can do is get 1 more person to watch it every 2 years, I'll carry on anyway, the film is worth it.

[Angel]

DIRECTORY

Results (ongoing)
https://forum.icmforum.com/viewtopic.ph ... 20#p852632

All results (google sheet)

DtC 2024 runners-up
:ICM: DtC 2024 runners-up

Ex-DtC 2011-2024
:ICM: Ex-DtC 2011-2024

DtC 2024
:ICM: DtC 2024
DtC 2024

DtC 2024 Master List

DtC 2025 pre-nominations
:ICM: DtC 2025 pre-nominations

[oOgiandujaOo]

Angel did a really good job, hampered by me continuously whining by me about all the arthouse short revotes falling of DtC like Autumn leaves. Sorry Angel!