1986 Poll 2.0

[rischka]

hilarious bergman joke in tarkovsky's the sacrifice

[St. Gloede]

hilarious bergman joke in tarkovsky's the sacrifice

I just rewatched this today and somehow didn't catch it.

(Also, with Nykvist on board (shot both films) + Erland Josephson on screen, it was hard not comparing it to Bergman throughout)

[Lencho of the Apes]

Watched Mauvais Sang. Is Dennis Lavant the 21st century Jaque Catelain?

[rischka]

YES

@gleode: i did wonder if it was the subtitler but it gave me a laugh anyway and they weren't easy to come by (bergman-esque indeed)

[Holdrüholoheuho]

i intended to watch this film for the 1986 poll BUT...

https://twitter.com/jirinvk/status/1474 ... 44418?s=20

but there is a problem with its date!
imdb (naturally) disregards these types of films, so no entry, no date.
kg 1986, lbox 1990, mubi 1986.
other sources split approximately half-1986 half-1990.
once, there is an all-encompassing date "1986/1990".
heroine of the film mentions (in the film) she is shooting the (one particular) scene in 1984.
so, i am more inclined to go with 1986 — but i am at doubts???
(sorry for being an ill-informed nitpicker and for being so indecisive.)

- Basically, I am sorry.
- I am sorry that I don't believe you like this film.
- I would like to apologize to you for having to watch this film.
- And I would like to apologize to the soul who got reincarnated as a camera.
- I am sorry, camera, for having to watch me.
- I am sorry that this film is too long.
- I apologize for not editing more.
- I am sorry the film run out.
- I am sorry, film, that I think you are trivial. You are very trivial!
- I want to apologize to the film I never made.
- Someday, I believe I am saying "I am sorry" and I mean it.
- Someday, I may be able to apologize correctly.
- I am sorry that my apologies don't seem sincere.
- I am sorry I can't read lips so I could tell you what I am apologizing about.
- I am sorry I say "I am sorry" all the time.
- I am sorry I am apologizing all the damn time.
- I have been apologizing for myself all my life and I am sorry for I have been apologizing.
- I am sorry I apologize too much.
- I cover my trail with apologies.
- I am SOOO sorry.
- I know there must be some apologies that I need to make. I am sorry I can't think of them.
- I am sorry you may feel you may have to forgive me for something you would never know you had to forgive me for unless I had apologized for it.
- Excuse me.
- It is my fault.
- What are your favorite apologies? I am sorry if I made you think of them.
- I am sorry, I am sorry, I am sorry, I am sorry, I am sorry...
- I apologize for having wasted your time.

[ororama]

1. A Better Tomorrow (John Woo)
2. The Big Easy (Jim McBride)
3. The Decline of the American Empire (Denys Arcand)
4. Peking Opera Blues (Tsui Hark)
5. El Amor Brujo (Carlos Saura)
6. Mona Lisa (Neil Jordan)
7. Platoon (Oliver Stone)
8. Shadows in Paradise (Aki Kaurismäki)
9. Aliens (James Cameron)
10. Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer (John McNaughton)
11. Partisans of Vilna (Joshua Waletzky)
12. Man Facing Southeast (Eliseo Subiela)
13. At Close Range (James Foley)
14. Salvador (Oliver Stone)
15. Manhunter (Michael Mann)
16. Something Wild (Jonathan Demme)
17. The Color of Money (Martin Scorsese)
18. Castle in the Sky (Hayao Miyazaki)
19. Labyrinth (Jim Henson)
20. Ethnic Notions (Marlon Riggs)

[Lencho of the Apes]

Two more excellent jokes from The Sacrifce.

I've been trying to tell you that for half an hour.

and

How much gas do we have left?

[dominicano1970]

Blue Velvet (Lynch)
Gonza the Spearman (Shinoda)
Hannah and Her Sisters (Allen)
Matador (Almodovar)
Platoon (Stone)
River's Edge (Hunter)
Santa Fé (Corti)
That's Life! (Edwards)
Voyage to Nowhere (Fernan Gomez)
Welcome in Vienna (Corti)

At Close Range (Foley)
F/X (Mandel)
Faubourg St Martin (Guiguet)
The Fly (Cronenberg)
Ginger & Fred (Fellini)
Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer (McNaughton)
Hovering Over the Water (Monteiro)
Mélo (Resnais)
Peking Opera Blues (Tsui)
Something Wild (Demme)

[rischka]

dust in the wind - hou
peking opera blues - tsui
castle in the sky - miyazaki
maine ocean - rozier
bound for the fields mountains and the seacoast - obayashi

sarrounia - hondo
rosa la rose fille publique - vecchiali
the terrorizers - yang
his motorbike, her island - obayashi
a flor do mar - monteiro

golden eighties - akerman
dead man's letters - lopushansky
mauvais sang - carax
shadows in paradise - kaurasmaki
krysar - barta

a better tomorrow - woo
the sea and poison - kumai
martial arts of shaolin - lau
der rosenkonig - schroeter
swan song - zhang

revised list

[Silga]

Final list

Hannah and Her Sisters (Woody Allen)
Castle in the Sky (Hayao Miyazaki)
Manhunter (Michael Mann)
Aliens (James Cameron)
Ferris Bueller's Day Off (John Hughes)

The Fly (David Cronenberg)
Hoosiers (David Anspaugh)
Platoon (Oliver Stone)
The Big Easy (Jim McBride)
The Mission (Roland Joffé)

Friday the 13th Part VI: Jason Lives (Tom McLoughlin)
The Color of Money (Martin Scorsese)
Salvador (Oliver Stone)
Blue Velvet (David Lynch)
Power (Sidney Lumet)

Little Shop of Horrors (Frank Oz)
Crossroads (Walter Hill)
At Close Range (James Foley)
Ruthless People (Jim Abrahams, David Zucker, Jerry Zucker)
The Morning After (Sidney Lumet)

[rischka]

quick double feature of the last 2 chinese films from 1986 on my desktop. first, the last emperor, li han-hsiang's taiwan/hong kong production of the story told in the bertolucci film - only there's no famous british actor making the story all about him. the ex-emperor, played by tony leung ka fai in his first lead, is a pitiable figure. very well done if you're interested in another perspective



another pitiable figure is the 'hero' of swan song, which thx to karl i have now watched. both these films cover the cultural revolution period, this one from the perspective of a composer and musician who can't seem to find his place in the new world any more than the ex emperor can. terrific film by this writer/director whose career never really took off; it's in terrible need of restoration but i will add it to my ballot. thx karl!!

[karl]

dust in the wind (hou)
the sacrifice (tarkovsky)
the mosquito coast (weir)
trial on the road (german)

quiet happiness (hanak)
the photograph (papatakis)
tree without leaves (shindo)
chronicle of amorous accidents (wajda)

sacrificed youth (zhang)
report to mother (abraham)
swan song (zhang)
the terrorizers (yang)

the last day of winter (wu)
happy new year '49 (popov)
ticket (im)
final take: the golden age of the movies (yamada)

i remember you (khamraev)
the first woman in the forest (wang)
happy homecoming, comrade (xanthopoulos)
in the wild mountains (yan)

[mesnalty]

Final list:

The Green Ray (Rohmer)
Mauvais Sang (Carax)
Therese (Cavalier)
Working Girls (Borden)
Dust in the Wind (Hou)

His Motorbike, Her Island (Obayashi)
Bell Diamond (Jost)
Manhunter (Mann)
Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer (McNaughton)
The Sacrifice (Tarkovsky)

Peking Opera Blues (Tsui)
Rosa la Rose, Public Girl (Vecchiali)
Jean de Florette/Manon des Sources (Berri)
Golden Eighties (Akerman)
Bound for the Fields, the Mountains, and the Seacoast (Obayashi)

Home of the Brave (Anderson)
True Stories (Byrne)
Frida Still Life (Leduc)
The Rose King (Schroeter)
The Terrorizers (Yang)

[ofrene]

Final

He Stands in a Desert Counting the Seconds of His Life
Hovering Over the Water
Maine-Ocean Express
Terrorizers

Bound for the Fields, the Mountains, and the Seacoast
Comrades
Dust in the Wind
The Green Ray

Dead Man's Letters
Golden Eighties
My Case
The Fly

Mauvais Sang
Peking Opera Blues
Rosa la Rose, Public Girl
The Sea and Poison

Aliens
Ethnic Notions
Shadows in Paradise
Working Girls

[deepbluefunk]

1. Hannah and her Sisters
2. Blue Velvet
3. The Singing Detective
4. Platoon
5. Aliens

6. Betty Blue
7. The River's Edge
8. The Fly
9. Salvador
10. Sid and Nancy

11. Stand By Me
12. The Mission
13. Man Facing Southeast
14. Down By Law
15. Little Shop of Horrors

16. She's Gotta Have It
17. Mona Lisa
18. True Stories
19. Manhunter
20. Round Midnight

[...]

Not that thrilled with my choices, the movies are fine but don't really excite all that much, though it's been a good number of years since I've seen a lot of them too, so it might just be fading memory involved. Intended to watch more, but got caught up digging into Parajanov's Arabesques on a Pirosmani Theme, which I thought was from '86 but turns out to be from '85 according to IMDb, so of no use to the poll anyway. Still an interesting side trip though, so not a total waste.

Nanou
Melo
Sid and Nancy
Gonza the Spearman

Terrorizers
The Pied Piper
From Beyond
Down by Law

Peking Opera Blues
The Golden Eighties
Rise and Fall of a Small Film Company
Gothic

Texas Chainsaw MAsscre II
The Horse Thief
Shadows in Paradise
Children of a Lesser God

Nomads
River's Edge
The Magic Braid
Poison for the Fairies

[Lencho of the Apes]

Like Greg, I'm not enthusiastic about a lot of these, but I guess this will do.

Street Of Crocodiles - Quay Quay
Bound For The Fields...
Ethnic Notions (Marlon Riggs, 1986)
Redondo - Raul Busteros

Blue Velvet - Lynch
The Fly - Cronenberg
Sid And Nancy - Cox
The Rose King (Werner Schrowter)

Invaders From Mars - Tobe Hooper
Link
Peggy Sue Got Married
Mommy Mommy Where's My Brain - Jon Moritsugu

From Beyond -
The Hitcher
Max Mon Amour - Oshima
Orinoco - Julian Pastor

[Evelyn Library P.I.]

Results

Total ballots: 23. Films voted for: 193.

Same top three as last time, in same order, but there are some changes farther down. The biggest difference that I can see — last time, Big Trouble in Little China came in 14th, while this time it received no votes at all!

1 The Terrorizers / 38.5

2 The Green Ray / 36

3 Blue Velvet / 33

4 Shadows in Paradise / 30

5 The Sacrifice / 29.5

6 Dust in the Wind / 26

7 Hannah and Her Sisters / 24

8 Mauvais Sang / 22.5

9 Hovering Over the Water / 22

10 Bound for the Fields, the Mountains, and the Seacoast / 21.5

— The Fly / 21.5

12 Golden Eighties / 21
13 Peking Opera Blues / 20.5
14 Platoon / 19.5
15 Manhunter / 18.5
16 Castle in the Sky / 18
— His Motorbike, Her Island / 18
18 Maine-Ocean Express / 17
— The Rose King / 17
20 Aliens / 16.5

21 Melo / 16
22 Jean de Florette / 15
23 Down by Law / 14.5
24 Sid and Nancy / 14
25 Dead Man's Letters / 13.5
— In the Shadow of the Blue Rascal / 13.5
— Salvador / 13.5
28 Rosa la Rose, Public Girl / 13
29 Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer / 12.5
— Something Wild / 12.5

31 Faubourg St. Martin / 12
— Mona Lisa / 12
33 At Close Range / 11.5
34 Ethnic Notions / 11
35 The Adventure of Faustus Bidgood / 10.5
— The Mission / 10.5
37 Betty Blue / 10
— The Color of Money / 10
39 Bell Diamond / 9.5
— The Big Easy / 9.5
— Budapest Portrait / 9.5
— Ginger and Fred / 9.5
— Therese / 9.5

44 Gonza the Spearman / 9
— Max mon amour / 9
46 Chronicle of Amorous Accidents / 8.5
— River's Edge / 8.5
— Trial on the Road / 8.5
— Working Girls / 8.5
50 A Better Tomorrow / 7.5
— The Decline of the American Empire / 7.5
— The Name of the Rose / 7.5

53 Comrades / 7
— He Stands in the Desert Counting the Seconds of His Life / 7
— The Pied Piper / 7
56 Gothic / 6.5
— Grandeur et décadence d'un petit commerce de cinéma / 6.5
— Life Is A Dream / 6.5
— Matador / 6.5
— Tree Without Leaves / 6.5

[rischka]

https://letterboxd.com/rischka/list/1986-20/