1975 poll 2.0

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greg x wrote: Fri May 28, 2021 7:53 am Not quite sure what you mean
"Malaiseyness" wasn't my description, and I wasn't talking about attuned-to-zeitgeist people like Eustache and R Cardona Jr addressing the 'failure of 68'... but about stalwartly bourgeois filmmakers like Chabrol and Altman starting to load their scripts with reform-conscious thematics that no longer register as righteously as was intended because -- as I said -- the terms of public discourse have evolved. I'm very much indulging in the kind of ahistorical "nowism" that we talked about in that LB thread on The Sun Shines Bright ( I think it was Carlos V. that invented the word, so props to him...) but I'm not offering a coherent critique, just observing a tendency. From what I've watched for this poll, these movies are the ones that shared that quality of being on the threshold:

Cooley High: I found it impossible to tell if it was "authentic" representation for an underserved demographic, or if it was a minstrel-show performance of blackness.
Playing With Fire - Robbe Grillet: feminist content vitiated by ARG's inability to treat his material as anything more than jeux-d'esprit abstractions for him to play wittily with.
Mandingo - Fleischer: the very definition of 'problematic', from start to finish. The question of how an audience would have understood those transgressions in '75 can't easily be resolved.
The Moon Over The Alley: about gentrification,, which is ahead of the curve... but there's something smug and po-faced about their insistence on treating cultural diversity as a check-box list to go down. "Look! There's a gentleman from India! And a Jamaican woman with her baby! And a homeless couple sleeping behind the dustbin, aren't they adorable! And there's even exactly two homosexuals!"
Nashville: Haven't watched it yet, but the cultural appropriation was so! strong! during the credits, in that sequence where a dozen black performers are assigned the job of making the white lady look good while she playacts at their culture, that it made me worry and worry.
Winstanley: Diggers were admirable, but Ranters were taking the whole thing too far. Tsk tsk on them.

... ... ... and a couple more that were only vaguely disturbing in these ways. Seen all in a mulch together, it seems like a defining trend for the year.
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yeah i watched partie de plaisir last night and the guy was so awful that it made me laugh. it was like black comedy.

dersu uzala was a good old fashioned epic leaning a lot too hard on the magical native. nashville is so arch it's difficult for me to enjoy

i'm watching kicma now and it's got wonderful malaise, people jumping from buildings and everything
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rischka wrote: Sat May 29, 2021 2:11 am made me laugh.
I wish you were still writing like before. It isn't a lack of self-confidencr, is it? Cuz bollocks to that.
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i feared becoming too famous 8-) but i'm sorry i stopped too. it's so hard to start again
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Dersu Uzala (Kurosawa)
Mirror (Tarkovsky)
Picnic at Hanging Rock (Weir)
Nashville (Altman)
The Passenger (Antonioni)
Jeanne Dielman, 23, Quai du Commerce 1080 Bruxelles (Akerman)
Dog Day Afternoon (Lumet)
Grey Gardens (Maysles/Maysles/Meyer/Hovde)
Shampoo (Ashby)
Under the Blossoming Cherry Trees (Shinoda)
Barry Lyndon (Kubrick)
Fox and His Friends (Fassbinder)
Love and Death (Allen)
Boo Hoo (Munro)
Mother Küsters Goes to Heaven (Fassbinder)
Le Vieux Fusil (Enrico)
Night Moves (Penn)
Cracked Actor (Yentob)


Watched for this poll:


Cracked Actor
The Naked Civil Servant
Boo Hoo (Munro) ty twodeadmagpies
Under the Blossoming Cherry Trees (Shinoda)


Hope to watch:

Fear of Fear (Fassbinder)
Cracked Actor (Yentob)
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but I'm not offering a coherent critique, just observing a tendency.


Yeah, there is a lot of that sort of mixed or confused messaging in a lot of the movies that makes looking at them now a tricky sort of business. Mandingo being the best example of that, where it was largely attacked on release, but then reclaimed by critics like Robin Wood for its alleged progressive counter-message set within the outward ugliness, but now that reclamation would surely be as problematic as the movie itself for how it relies on privileging a somewhat "elite" perspective in setting aside what is there on the surface for subtext that only those aligned to the mix of white liberal and "literary" values in close reading will appreciate. Nashville is a bit harder to parse because it is so interested in signs as floating symbols that can't be entirely tied down to a clear reading, Tomlin's character and the choir, for example, both carry "too much" weighted significance to be taken at face value, but the movie doesn't settle between ironic/satiric and sincere/serious mode of approach, so they float between them, the choir being as much "a black choir" commenting on the scene as anything else and Tomlin's character being too good to be true but played in sincere conviction. The mix of characters and storyline goes back and forth throughout in that way.

Cooley High though I think is a bit different, more like trying to develop a new set of quasi-mythic forms like those that are found at the heart of the main stream Hollywood product and its genres, but having to do so by relying on scrap timber left over from decades of ignoration and at the very same time mainstream movies were in the midst of their great renovations from those earlier genre forms. Like some of the other films of the time like Uptown Saturday Night, Car Wash, and the "blaxploitation" films, there is some reliance on existing archetypes that are then varied and expanded on to becoming main characters that have more depth if just for being shown as central to the stories, however light or basic they may be. That's something that has some resonance in recent years, where Black and other minority directors and writers are finally getting more chances to tell stories, just when popular cinema is losing its hold and mass audiences are splitting into ever smaller niche markets that still makes it easy for white audiences to avoid those films. It's fair of course to criticize something like, say, Crazy Rich Asians, but there is still something necessary in noting how little opportunity there has been for Asian romantic comedies or fairly basic movie stories like Cooley High about Black characters to exist, which lends an extrinsic sense of weight to them they might not have viewed out of context, which is sort of the opposite issue to something like Mandingo. But like I said, I pretty much agree with you on the basic concept, just find looking at the movies more as cultural phenomenon to be as rewarding as looking for a more abstract coherence in lasting aesthetic value.
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Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky)
Picnic at Hanging Rock (Peter Weir)
Deep Red (Dario Argento)
Barry Lyndon (Stanley Kubrick)
The Switchblade Sisters (Jack Hill)

Lips of Blood (Jean Rollin)
Jaws (Steven Spielberg)
Supervixens (Russ Meyer)
Four Women (Julie Dash)
Ilsa She-Wolf of the SS (Don Edmonds)

The Super Inframan (Hua Shan)
Florence (Peter B Hutton)
Night Moves (Arthur Penn)
X-TRACTS (Leslie Thornton and Desmond Horsfield)
Window Film (Klaus Wyborny)

Hand Held Day (Gary Beydler)
Dog Day Afternoon (Sidney Lumet)
Monty Python and the Holy Grail (Terry Gilliam, Terry Jones)
Welcome Home Brother Charles (Jamaa Fanaka)
Hedgehog in the Fog (Yuri Norstein)
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Now I wanna watch switchblade sisters!
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Final list:

Night Moves (Arthur Penn)
Love and Death (Woody Allen)
The Sunshine Boys (Herbert Ross)
Jaws (Steven Spielberg)
Dog Day Afternoon (Sidney Lumet)

Shivers (David Cronenberg)
Three Days of the Condor (Sydney Pollack)
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (Milos Forman)
Report to the Commissioner (Milton Katselas)
Fear Over the City (Henri Verneuil) a.k.a. The Night Caller

Farewell, My Lovely (Dick Richards)
Framed (Phil Karlson)
Flic Story (Jacques Deray)
The Prisoner of Second Avenue (Melvin Frank)
The Reincarnation of Peter Proud (J. Lee Thompson)

Life Story (Krzysztof Kieslowski)
The Seventh Company Has Been Found (Robert Lamoureux)
Afonya (Georgiy Daneliya)
Aloha Bobby and Rose (Floyd Mutrux)
The Eiger Sanction (Clint Eastwood)
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no tiers. good year indeed...

Adoption
Barry Lyndon
Benilde or The Virgin Mother
Dog Day Afternoon
Dokkoi! Songs from the Bottom
Fox and His Friends
India Song
Jaws
Jeanne Dielman, 23, Quai du Commerce 1080 Bruxelles
Manila in the Claws of Light
Moses and Aaron
Mother Küsters Goes to Heaven
Night Moves
Picnic at Hanging Rock
The Battle of Chile: Part I
The March of Fools
The Messiah
The Road to Sampo
The Shiranui Sea
Welfare
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Final Ballot:

The Messiah (Roberto Rossellini)
India Song (Marguerite Duras)
Jeanne Dielman, 23, quai du commerce, 1080 Bruxelles (Chantal Akerman)
Moses and Aaron (Danièle Huillet / Jean-Marie Straub)

Numéro deux (Jean-Luc Godard)
Welfare (Frederick Wiseman)
Far From Home (Sohrab Shahid Saless)
Passacaglia y Fuga (Jorge Honik)

Sto dney posle detstva [One Hundred Days After Childhood] (Sergey Solovyev)
Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky)
At Long Last Love (Peter Bogdanovich)
White Heart (Daniel Barnett)

Fox and His Friends (Rainer Werner Fassbinder)
Jaws (Stephen Spielberg)
Torre Bela (Thomas Bela)
Picnic at Hanging Rock (Peter Weir)

Articulation of Boolean Algebra for Film Opticals (Tony Conrad) [not on IMDb]
Barry Lyndon (Stanley Kubrick)
31/75: Asyl (Kurt Kren)
Suite 212 (Nam June Paik)


Also hey all, been awhile. Hope everyone is doing well :)
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final list, it's a good year and has some of my favourite films but also am just so bored with it & i just can't summon any enthusiasm to watch any more (tbh i'm not even that excited for 1929, i just want to watch pretty things from super recent or 1910s, both ends when women have more agency than the bits inbetween)

ranked in four chunks

india song (marguerite duras)
moses and aaron (danièle huillet / jean-marie straub)
the messiah (roberto rossellini)
la bête (walerian borowczyk)
that most important thing: love (andrzej żuławski)

winstanley (kevin brownlow / andrew mollo)
pleasure party (claude chabrol)
the child of another (jean-pierre dikongué pipa)
mozart in love (mark rappaport)
pastorale (otar iosseliani)

mirror (andrei tarkovsky)
monty python and the holy grail (terry jones / terry gilliam)
manila in the claws of light (lino brocka)
the travelling players (theo angelopoulos)
barry lyndon (stanley kubrick)

dialogues of the exiles (raúl ruiz)
benilde or the virgin mother (manoel de oliveira)
the return of the pink panther (blake edwards)
shivers (david cronenberg)
chronicle of the years of fire (mohammed lakhdar-hamina)
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arkheia wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:36 am Also hey all, been awhile. Hope everyone is doing well :)
Great to see you again, arkheia :D !
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Dersu Uzala (Kurosawa)
Jaws (Spielberg)
La Cecilia (Comolli)
The Man Who Would Be King (Huston)
Mandingo (Fleischer)
Manila in the Claws of Light (Brocka)
Night Moves (Penn)
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (Forman)
The Wind and the Lion (Milius)
Xala (Sembene)

The Birds of Baden-Baden (Camus)
Bite the Bullet (Brooks)
El cumpleaños del perro (Hermosillo)
Hard Times (Hill)
House of Shadows (Christensen)
Iracema (Bodanzky, Senna)
Libera, My Love (Bolognini)
Nashville (Altman)
Poachers (Borau)
Three Days of the Condor (Pollack)
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i still missed watching some big ones *sigh* switchblade sisters was lots of fun but a bit too rapey for me. i'm halfway through flic story, enjoying watching delon and trintignant taking themselves oh so seriously. will make a list later today! j-lo's psychokiller look:

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if you want a perfect representation for the mid 70s as a point where we've broken fully with older eras and slid into a cynical malaise you'd be hard pressed to do better than the career of li han-hsiang - spends the '60s as the premiere director of classically beautiful doomed romance period pieces (the love eterne, beyond the great wall, empress wu, the enchanting shadow) and contemporary, women-led social melodramas (i think rear entrance is the only one available, but isn't supposed to be a good example); goes bankrupt in taiwan trying to make his own independent movie studio; comes back to shaw brothers and spends the '70s making vulgar, impossibly cynical "sex comedies."

i put sex comedies in quotes because i'm not even sure that describes forbidden tales of two cities - like all of these it's broken up into 3 separate stories with no real relation to each other. the first is a pretty dull adultery thing that ends with two people having sex on top of a chest with a naked, cuckolded husband locked inside; the second is a far more elaborate and successful courtship between a gambler and a gambling addicted gangster's moll that is more than anything interested in the ambience of macau casinos and illegal hong kong gambling dens; the third, narrated by the couple in the second story as an explanation of why their new apartment came with handcuffs hanging from the ceiling, is a frankly bizarre story that careens from european bdsm parlors to wheel-chair bound wealthy women entrapping a greedy young tennis player. and all of it is shot with this strange mix of constant zooms and extreme fish eye distortion on the wide shots, which is deeply disorienting when he starts panning the camera.

there's sort of just enough sex and brief nudity to qualify as tawdry, but the focus is really just on cupidity and venality as the main drivers of humanity. the cynicism is kind of bracing (in his hk cinema book stephen teo marks these films as the point where the romanticism of hk film is totally dead and replaced cynicism) but it's just not as convincing as, say, the more self-reflexive qualities in the better pinkus of this period. there are a lot more (the other one from this year is called that's adultery!) but i'm not sure how interested i am in looking further...
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oh but you wait til the last day to bring this up... anyways

india song
pastorale
nazareno cruz and the wolf
one hundred days after childhood
the man who would be king
manila in the claws of light
adoption
moses und aron
the valiant ones
fox and his friends
jeanne dielman
muna moto - child of another
road to sampo
dog day afternoon
welfare
deewaar*
evridiki BA 2037*
winstanley*
that most important thing: love*
pleasure party*


was gonna try the tiers thing this time. maybe next time. i watched 20 new films for 1975! not all of them were contenders
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A strong contender for my favorite year in cinema. Final list:

Tier 1:
India Song (Duras)
Salo (Pasolini)
Moses and Aaron (Straub-Huillet)
The Travelling Players (Angelopoulos)
Mozart in Love (Rappaport)

Tier 2:
Mirror (Tarkovsky)
Light Music (Rhodes)
Number Two (Godard)
The Battle of Chile: Part I (Guzman)
Euridice BA 2037 (Nikolaidis)

Tier 3:
Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles (Akerman)
Wrong Move (Wenders)
Manila in the Claws of Light (Brocka)
White Heart (Barnett)
Winstanley (Brownlow and Mollo)

Tier 4:
Mother Kusters Goes to Heaven (Fassbinder)
Dog Day Afternoon (Lumet)
Hedgehog in the Fog (Norstein)
Seven Beauties (Wertmuller)
Jaws (Spielberg)
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Final ballot:

Tier 1:
Nashville (Robert Altman)
Jeanne Dielman, 23 Quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles (Chantal Akerman)
Fox and His Friends (Rainer Werner Fassbinder)
The Travelling Players (Theo Angelopoulos)

Tier 2:
Daguerréotypes (Agnès Varda)
India Song (Marguerite Duras)
The Day of the Locust (John Schlesinger)
Manila in the Claws of Light (Lino Brocka)

Tier 3:
Mirror (Andrei Tarkovsky)
Barry Lyndon (Stanley Kubrick)
Dog Day Afternoon (Sidney Lumet)
The Battle of Chile: Part I (Patricio Guzmán)

Tier 4:
Far from Home (Sohrab Shahid Saless)
Fear of Fear (Rainer Werner Fassbinder)
That Most Important Thing: Love (Andrzej Żuławski)
The Middleman (Satyajit Ray)

Tier 5:
Mother Küsters Goes to Heaven (Rainer Werner Fassbinder)
Nights and Days (Jerzy Antczak)
Picnic at Hanging Rock (Peter Weir)
Welfare (Frederick Wiseman)
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i watched "seasons of the year" by artavazd peleshyan), and i loved it. such fine views of sheep and men
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keeping off the big obvious ones they'll get plenty votes anyway

pastorale
a hundred days after childhood
141 minutes from the unfinished sentence
the captivating star of happiness

chronicle of the years of fire
a woman's decision (zanussi)
love at first sight (esadze)
sirius (vlacil)

iracema (bodanzky & senna)
filip the kind (pita)
red apples (tatos)
to dream and to live (ilyenko)

wings of the tern (barua)
woodpeckers don't get headaches (asanova)
preparation for the festival (kuroki)
memories of a sunday (kanellopoulos)

first swallow (mchedlidze)
adoption
seasons of the year
throne of capricorn (aravindan)
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Evelyn Library P.I. wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 12:30 pm Great to see you again, arkheia :D !
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RIP previous ballot .
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twodeadmagpies wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 10:55 ami just want to watch pretty things from super recent
The fact that you've even been watching early sea shorts recently makes be think that you should check out Drift, reckon rischka can co-sign on this one. You won't hate it at least, I think.
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greennui wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 6:15 pm
twodeadmagpies wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 10:55 ami just want to watch pretty things from super recent
The fact that you've even been watching early sea shorts recently makes be think that you should check out Drift, reckon rischka can co-sign on this one. You won't hate it at least, I think.
i have it planned! and dutch harbor. only there are builders hammering & drilling constantly on the house next door (even on a bank fucking holiday) and i literally need to either watch movies that are near-constant noise (ie silents with a selected soundtrack) or just watch them really early on in the morning or really late at night, and sea stuff is so afternoony. i'll get to them maybe, after i've been arrested for murder
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1. Nashville (Robert Altman)
2. The Lost Honor of Katharina Blum (Volker Schlöndorff, Margarethe von Trotta)
3. Fox and His Friends (Rainer Werner Fassbinder)
4. Manila in the Claws of Light (Lino Brocka)
5. How to Drown Dr. Mracek or the End of Water Spirits in Bohemia (Václav Vorlícek)
6. Shivers (David Cronenberg)
7. Night Moves (Arthur Penn)
8. The Rocky Horror Picture Show (Jim Sharman)
9. Hester Street (Joan Micklin Silver)
10. Mother Küsters Goes to Heaven (Rainer Werner Fassbinder)
11. Seven Beauties (Lina Wertmüller)
12. Dog Day Afternoon (Sidney Lumet)
13. Smile (Michael Ritchie)
14. Deep Red (Dario Argento)
15. One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest (Milos Forman)
16. Jaws (Steven Spielberg)
17. The Drowning Pool (Stuart Rosenberg)
18. Keetje Tippel (Paul Verhoeven)
19. Trobriand Cricket (Gary Kildea, Jerry Leach)
20. Lips of Blood (Jean Rollin)
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just a friendly reminder today is the deadline for this poll; but doubt i'll have time to finish tabulating until wednesday or even thursday, so feel free to sneak in additional watches until then
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hoped i'd get to all 4 of tatsumi kumashiro's movies from '75 but only saw the most famous 2.

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africa's light is an odd one, a novel adaptation for toho rather than the roman-pornos he was mostly making in this period. two very close, very co-dependent young men travel to hokkaido hoping to get work on a long haul fishing trip to africa, but mostly end up getting in bar fights, alienating the locals, getting involved with a local gambling mob falling ill in the face of the awful, snowbound environment.

at first it kind of feels like a particularly bleak take on a girl in every port or something, but (as is usual for tatsumi kumashiro) eventually the overwhelming bleakness of it all kind of takes over. curious about the novel - this feels like a lot of psychological explanation is purposefully left out, with a lot of very weird physicality and landscape taking its place. not sure if i loved it but it is definitely memorable.

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black rose ascension is a pink film, and an especially self reflective and unpleasant one. main character is a seedy pink filmmaker (he seems to be a failed independent director from the '60s era, still making 16mm and 8mm films in an era where the genre was more or less being taken over by the big studios) who attempts to seduce the kept woman of a major politician (whose he fell for by surreptitiously audio-recording her tryst with a married dentist) into starring in his movie when his regular actress decides to quit when she gets pregnant.

it's a strange, confrontationally unpleasant movie; the main character is one of the most repellant in any movie i can think of, a manipulative liar who backs up his coercive behavior by using the films of imamura and oshima as an excuse (the one glimpse we see of one of his films, which he calls his masterpiece, seems to be a grimy, artless amateur sex film). not sure i like this at all but is something.

don't think either would make my list though...
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1975 overwhelmed me -- so many I couldn't get to! 1929 has overwhelmed me too, and I haven't even started it yet. There are still a few I may watch before thoxans gets his groove on; if splicing a few titles in turns out to be appropriate, I'll do that thing. Meanwhile... practically everything was fourth or fifth tier "they'll squeak through if there's nothing better" kinda deals with only eight or nine real standouts for me.

Black Moon - Malle
Euridice BA 2037 - Nikolaidis
Fox And His Friends - Fassbinder
Presagio - Alcoriza

Nashville - altman
Chronicle of the Years of Fire (Lakhdar-Hamina)
L'Histoire d'Adele H - Truffaut
Nazareno Cruz Y El Lobo - Favio

Per Le Antiche Scala - Bolognini
No Oyes Ladrar Los Perros - Francois Reichenbach
Numero Deux -Godard
Pastorale - Ioselliani

Deep Red- Argento
Mandingo - Richard Fleischer
Throne Of Capricorn - Govindan Aravindan
The Traveling Players (Angelopoulos)

Winstanley - kevin Brownlow
Sholay - Sippy
Let joy Reign Supreme - Tavernier
The Guernica Tree - Arrabal
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Unfortunately the most enduring image from my 1975 viewing is that awful goblin child from The Day of the Locust.

The United States of America (Gordon/Benning)
Adoption (Mészáros)
Karayuki-San, the Making of a Prostitute (Imamura)
The Softening of the Egg (Alfredson)

The Travelling Players (Angelopoulos)
Euridice BA 2037 (Nikolaidis)
Manila in the Claws of Light (Brocka)
Hard Times (Hill)
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