Haphazard travels of Sirman Deville around the Middle
-
- Posts: 1900
- Joined: Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:38 am
Re: Haphazard travels of Sir Man Deville around the Middle
The last time the subject of graphomania came up, I felt the urge to post "In Absentia" by The Quay Brothers. Felt the same urge today, but unfortunately it's not available anywhere I can find.
The opposite of 'reify' is... ?
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
i like
"In Absentia"
"asemic writing" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asemic_writing
"The New Post-literate" (this weblog explores asemic writing in relation to post-literate culture) http://thenewpostliterate.blogspot.com/
or Frans Huisman's drawings http://www.franshuisman.eu/en/gallery/drawings
"In Absentia"
"asemic writing" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asemic_writing
"The New Post-literate" (this weblog explores asemic writing in relation to post-literate culture) http://thenewpostliterate.blogspot.com/
or Frans Huisman's drawings http://www.franshuisman.eu/en/gallery/drawings
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
i subtitled a short educational film...
RHYTHM (Jiří Lehovec, 1941)
https://letterboxd.com/film/rytmus/
Jiří Lehovec (1909-1995), a "poet of the everyday"... https://monoskop.org/Ji%C5%99%C3%AD_Lehovec
a better copy, without subs... https://youtu.be/Pffb26D_kyw
RHYTHM (Jiří Lehovec, 1941)
https://letterboxd.com/film/rytmus/
An attempt at visual representation of music.
Jiří Lehovec (1909-1995), a "poet of the everyday"... https://monoskop.org/Ji%C5%99%C3%AD_Lehovec
a better copy, without subs... https://youtu.be/Pffb26D_kyw
Last edited by Holdrüholoheuho on Sun May 02, 2021 10:58 pm, edited 1 time in total.
makes a nice companion piece to the release of this:
https://twitter.com/bergersmicer/status ... 3364438020
https://twitter.com/bergersmicer/status ... 3364438020
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
i watched "sisters with transistors" (as a part of online JIDFF) last autumn (2 months after harvest).
it was cool.
it was cool.
ickykino tweeovalis wrote: ↑Fri Oct 30, 2020 9:52 am "Siren Test" watchlist (2/4)...
https://www.ji-hlava.com/programove-sekce/zkouska-siren
30/10 (1)
SISTERS WITH TRANSISTORS (Lisa Rovner, 2020)2/11 (1)Daphne Oram of the BBC radio laboratory; Pauline Oliveros, who coined the term "deep listening"; Laurie Spiegel, whose music flies through space and time on the Voyager Golden Record, and many others (Suzanne Ciani, Clara Rockmore, Aura Satz, Delia Derbyshire, Éliane Radigue, Bebe Barron, Maggi Payne, Maryanne Amacher, Nadia Botello, Wendy Carlos, Sarah Davachi, Holly Herndon). Laurie Anderson lends her voice to the narration and guides us through this journey of the evolution of electronic music from a female perspective.
MIMAROĞLU: THE ROBINSON OF MANHATTAN ISLAND (Serdar Kökçeoğlu, 2020)
Because of the nature of the instruments, electronic music-making is often an isolated pursuit. Nevertheless, one artist featured in Sisters With Transistors, Laurie Spiegel, tells me how struck she was by the fact that the women in the film barely knew of each other. “How different would things have been if we had?” Spiegel studied composition in London in the late 60s but heard of Oram and Derbyshire only in the past decade or so. That said, she never thought explicitly about being a female musician.
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
BELLS OF ATLANTIS (Ian Hugo, 1952)... music by Bebe Barron
https://youtu.be/HE-7qEftad8
BRIDGES-GO-ROUND (Shirley Clarke, 1958)... music by Bebe Barron
https://youtu.be/2gxX74iGRTc
FORBIDDEN PLANET (Fred M. Wilcox, 1956)... music by Bebe Barron
Bebe Barron... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebe_and_Louis_Barron
THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING WOMAN (Joel Schumacher, 1981)... music by Suzanne Ciani
Suzanne Cianni... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanne_Ciani
TRON (Steven Lisberger, 1982)... music by Wendy Carlos
THE SHINING (Stanley Kubrick, 1980)... music by Wendy Carlos
A CLOCKWORK ORANGE (Stanley Kubrick, 1971)... music by Wendy Carlos
Wendy Carlos... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Carlos
THE DELIAN MODE (Kara Blake, 2009)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18aeey
https://youtu.be/HE-7qEftad8
BRIDGES-GO-ROUND (Shirley Clarke, 1958)... music by Bebe Barron
https://youtu.be/2gxX74iGRTc
FORBIDDEN PLANET (Fred M. Wilcox, 1956)... music by Bebe Barron
Bebe Barron... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bebe_and_Louis_Barron
THE INCREDIBLE SHRINKING WOMAN (Joel Schumacher, 1981)... music by Suzanne Ciani
Suzanne Cianni... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzanne_Ciani
TRON (Steven Lisberger, 1982)... music by Wendy Carlos
THE SHINING (Stanley Kubrick, 1980)... music by Wendy Carlos
A CLOCKWORK ORANGE (Stanley Kubrick, 1971)... music by Wendy Carlos
Wendy Carlos... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wendy_Carlos
THE DELIAN MODE (Kara Blake, 2009)
https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18aeey
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
speaking about electronic music...
news from the local electronic (noise) scene.
heavy metal guitar review.
https://youtu.be/NbPgNurUBhs
news from the local electronic (noise) scene.
heavy metal guitar review.
https://youtu.be/NbPgNurUBhs
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
local "burning witches" or "pálení čarodějnic" is still very popular!
there are basically two types of "burning witches" events nowadays.
1/ private "burning witches" (done within a family circle — in the private garden).
2/ public "burning witches" (organized by municipality — in a public park).
1/ private "burning witches" is usually small-scale, done without burning any puppet — a few (blood-related) pyromaniacs (of both genders side by side) just sit around the fire and burn eatables.
1.1/ carnivores burn sausages
1.2/ vegetarians (or carnivores with healthy lifestyle leanings) burn vegetables or apples or eventually place potatoes in the hot ashes.
and during private "burning witches", blood-related pyromaniacs usually don't wear any silly costumes (eatables are burned in casual leisure dress).
2/ during public "burning witches" the stake is usually much bigger and many times a puppet (either having an abstract form or having feminine characteristics) is placed on top.
flames coming from such a big stake are usually too intense to burn sausages individually and thus attendants of these public festivities usually buy their burnt sausages in kiosks from some local entrepreneur.
public "burning witches" is also usually a cosplay event — lately, it degenerated into a harrypotteresque con (traditional medieval-like "witchhammer" esthetics are long forgotten).
last but not least, with the progressing emancipation of women, local "burning witches" many times resembles rather a merry "meeting of the witches".
whenever "burning witches" is over, local mass media usually display satellite photos of the country — densely covered with tiny pink dots (i.e. fires) — because all locals tend to become filled with pride about the fact the local pyromania is traceable even in outer space (even from cosmic perspective).
however, you can notice (on the pic below) that East Germans (living near the Bohemian border) are even more pyromaniacal during their Walpurgis night (density of pink dots in two particular regions is beyond comparison!).
popular mass media folklore (after each "burning witches") consists also from reporting about how many times local firefighters had to go into action (whenever burning witches slipped into burning a forest or burning a house).
this year's report says the following...
within past 10 years the highest score was 136, so let's say the average score is about 100 issues of fire getting out of control during the local "burning witches" pastime.05/01/2021
On Friday, firefighters responded to 91 fires throughout the country during the traditional burning of witches (Čarodějnice), 20 more than last year. Only one serious injury was reported, and there was no major damage, a Fire and Rescue Service spokesperson said.
wow thx for this fascinating info jiri! maybe america needs more traditional cathartic rituals to avoid mass shootings
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
maybe Americans should start "shooting burning witches", i.e. mass shooting a puppet that is burning at stake (on April 30th).
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
1975 poll No0 (rewatch)
THE SWAN’S JOURNEY (Fero Fenič)
this is a student film by FF.
unfortunately, it has no Eng subs.
but maybe it can be watched even without them.
intro text says, that despite the fast modernization of the Slovakian countryside, there are still some villages left where ppl live in their old ways.
and during the film, one can hear (mostly) small talk.
so, this is how some forgotten corners of Slovakia looked like in mid 1970s.
https://youtu.be/9EdNpqzxmTU
THE SWAN’S JOURNEY (Fero Fenič)
this is a student film by FF.
unfortunately, it has no Eng subs.
but maybe it can be watched even without them.
intro text says, that despite the fast modernization of the Slovakian countryside, there are still some villages left where ppl live in their old ways.
and during the film, one can hear (mostly) small talk.
so, this is how some forgotten corners of Slovakia looked like in mid 1970s.
https://youtu.be/9EdNpqzxmTU
i just went looking for that and was gonna ask if there were subs! will watch without if you think that it doesn't need themickykino tweeovalis wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:04 pm 1975 poll No0 (rewatch)
THE SWAN’S JOURNEY (Fero Fenič)
this is a student film by FF.
unfortunately, it has no Eng subs.
but maybe it can be watched even without them.
intro text says, that despite the fast modernization of the Slovakian countryside, there are still some villages left where ppl live in their old ways.
and during the film, one can hear (mostly) small talk.
so, this is how some forgotten corners of Slovakia looked like in mid 1970s.
https://youtu.be/9EdNpqzxmTU
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
yes, watch without!
intro says what i said in sum and during the film old lady says how many ppl are left in the village or the boy says what he does during the day, etc. (it is lovely so hear but it can be ommitted — the film is worth watching even without this — there is no narrative (carried via dialogues) that you would miss).
intro says what i said in sum and during the film old lady says how many ppl are left in the village or the boy says what he does during the day, etc. (it is lovely so hear but it can be ommitted — the film is worth watching even without this — there is no narrative (carried via dialogues) that you would miss).
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
and btw. it was shot in Vlkolínec... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vlkol%C3%ADnec
so, some traces of what is in the film can still be seen.
i never visited the place.
so, some traces of what is in the film can still be seen.
i never visited the place.
Vlkolínec has been listed as a UNESCO World Heritage site since 1993, and is one of ten Slovak villages that have been given the status of a folk architecture reservations. This status was granted because the village is an untouched and complex example of folk countryside architecture of the region of the Northern Carpathians.
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
1975 poll No5
SHELL (Jerzy Kalina) ... no dialogues
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14186828/
https://youtu.be/NA7juFn3wQo
SHELL (Jerzy Kalina) ... no dialogues
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt14186828/
... or the symphony of the urban alienation.Hectic life of a modern city.
https://youtu.be/NA7juFn3wQo
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
speaking (in the other thread) about the odd phenomenons related to insects...
maybe some of you think my off-town manor is an idyllic place abundant with strawberries, hazelnuts, roses — even the moon gets inebriated by all the charms there.
but to be honest it is also a place of horror!
especially, during my first visit to the place after the winter (that is still awaiting me).
when i come there (for the first time after the winter) and inspect a cellar this is what usually awaits me (my snapshots)...
yes (right), zombie spiders!
but i didn't know immediately those are zombie spiders.
when i encountered this strange phenomenon for the first time, i thought, "what the fuck is this shit? what the fuck are doing (in my cellar) all these spiders with mummified bodies and mummified joints of the limbs?"
only after thoroughly researching the mainstream interweb i stumbled upon this article that explains everything...
Ichneumonid wasp with entomopathogenic fungus...
maybe some of you think my off-town manor is an idyllic place abundant with strawberries, hazelnuts, roses — even the moon gets inebriated by all the charms there.
but to be honest it is also a place of horror!
especially, during my first visit to the place after the winter (that is still awaiting me).
when i come there (for the first time after the winter) and inspect a cellar this is what usually awaits me (my snapshots)...
yes (right), zombie spiders!
but i didn't know immediately those are zombie spiders.
when i encountered this strange phenomenon for the first time, i thought, "what the fuck is this shit? what the fuck are doing (in my cellar) all these spiders with mummified bodies and mummified joints of the limbs?"
only after thoroughly researching the mainstream interweb i stumbled upon this article that explains everything...
and btw. there are also zombie wasps!https://www.uksafari.com/curse_of_the_z ... piders.htm
(for pics click the link, text copy-pasted below)
The Curse of the Zombie Spiders!
If you're one of those people who thinks that False Widow spiders are (ahem) poisonous, or worse still, you're worried they are out to get you, then you're advised you to click away right now. This story is not for the fainthearted or feeble-minded. Try the Daily Mail instead.
What are Zombie Spiders? Quite literally they have four feet in the world of the living and four feet in the world of the dead. With the meager bit of life they have remaining inside them they silently stagger about, knowing that their cursed days on earth are severely numbered. Like bad apples they are rotting from the outside in, and soon their ghostly white furry bodies will be hanging lifeless from little silken threads, gently twisting and turning in the breeze.
What malevolent fate has befallen them? What fiendishly evil sorcery can possibly have taken control of their bodies? The villain here is the white fur which you see surrounding their bodies. It's an entomopathogenic fungus, which is a type of fungus that affects invertebrates.
The Cellar Spider (Phlocus sp.) seems particularly prone to infection because it lives in the damp environments where this fungus thrives. Once the fungus is established the spores from the fungus rapidly infect other spiders nearby.
For a while the infected spiders are able to live on in a zombie-like state enveloped by the fungus. But slowly and surely the fungus consumes their living tissue and kills them. The only tolerable thing about this murderous fungi is that it's harmless to humans...
well almost.
Once the spider's body has succumbed to the fungus it's tormented spider soul is released into the world. Then when you are sleeping these Ghost Spiders (Pholcus sanctus) rise up and march into your ear canal where they lay their eggs. When the zombie spiderlings hatch out they feast on your brain until they reach adulthood then they climb out through your eye sockets and go in search of their next victims.
Okay, we just made that last bit up...
or did we?
Muahahahahahaha
Ichneumonid wasp with entomopathogenic fungus...
that is gross gross gross i hate spiders so much
to make things nicer here are some zombie chicks i discovered in haworth in 2017 near the bronte family tomb
to make things nicer here are some zombie chicks i discovered in haworth in 2017 near the bronte family tomb
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
bronte zombie chicks remind me i should finally stop postponing writing an introduction to the "travels on roosterback" thread where i want to elaborate on the difference between basan, aitvaras, basilisk, and cockatrice.
Last edited by Holdrüholoheuho on Tue May 04, 2021 8:06 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
i just stumbled upon a recent (socio-geographical) study about the perception of what is "Middle Europe"?
asked were (allegedly) 513 respondents from 8 countries.
Rakousko = Austria / Česko = Czechia
Německo = Germany / Maďarsko = Hungary
Polsko = Poland / Slovensko = Slovakia
Slovinsko = Slovenia / Švýcarsko = Switzerland
and this is how respondents coming from these 8 counties perceive "Middle Europe".
(intensity of red = degree of overlaps (of "Middle Europe" delimitations) by the respondents)
(yellow dot = geographical center of "Middle Europe" according to the respondents)
1/ one can see f.e. that intense red that encompasses Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, and Poland (delimitation equivalent to the concept of the "Middle" usual in this thread — borrowed from the past SCFZ regional poll) is seen on the map coming from the survey among Slovakian respondents.
2/ Czech respondents ofc place the middle of the "Middle Europe" (yellow dot) in Prague!
3/ perception of Poland as a part of "Middle Europe" is not very strong among Polish respondents.
4/ Czech, Austrian, Polish, and Slovak respondents place yellow dot on the Czech territory.
5/ the most original concept of "Middle Europe" displayed respondents from Switzerland — they tend to exclude Czechia from "Middle Europe" (not to speak of Slovakia, Hungary, and Poland).
6/ etc., etc., etc.
asked were (allegedly) 513 respondents from 8 countries.
Rakousko = Austria / Česko = Czechia
Německo = Germany / Maďarsko = Hungary
Polsko = Poland / Slovensko = Slovakia
Slovinsko = Slovenia / Švýcarsko = Switzerland
and this is how respondents coming from these 8 counties perceive "Middle Europe".
(intensity of red = degree of overlaps (of "Middle Europe" delimitations) by the respondents)
(yellow dot = geographical center of "Middle Europe" according to the respondents)
1/ one can see f.e. that intense red that encompasses Czechia, Slovakia, Hungary, and Poland (delimitation equivalent to the concept of the "Middle" usual in this thread — borrowed from the past SCFZ regional poll) is seen on the map coming from the survey among Slovakian respondents.
2/ Czech respondents ofc place the middle of the "Middle Europe" (yellow dot) in Prague!
3/ perception of Poland as a part of "Middle Europe" is not very strong among Polish respondents.
4/ Czech, Austrian, Polish, and Slovak respondents place yellow dot on the Czech territory.
5/ the most original concept of "Middle Europe" displayed respondents from Switzerland — they tend to exclude Czechia from "Middle Europe" (not to speak of Slovakia, Hungary, and Poland).
6/ etc., etc., etc.
i'm fairly sure if you asked the same question in britain you would get a null response - i'll be honest, 'middle europe' is not a phrase i've ever seen before, i assumed it had some vague relation to the more familiar 'mitteleuropa' but that's always suggested culture rather than geography and in any case is usually just an analogue for 'bourgeois german-speakers'. this old habsburg-based jargon got obliterated by the cold war, at least here and ask anyone, the czech republic (is czechia preferable? it took me years to drop the 'the' from ukraine) is full on eastern europe, as is anything *waves vaguely* that side of germany.
has there been some movement to reposition that's passed me (and all the fine bigots of england) by? should i start shifting the pin in my mental map?
anyway:
has there been some movement to reposition that's passed me (and all the fine bigots of england) by? should i start shifting the pin in my mental map?
anyway:
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
i should have proly written instead of "Middle Europe" rather "Central Europe".
but (regardless of "Middle Europe" or "Central Europe") meant is certainly "Mitteleuropa".
(i.e. what is the perception of "Mitteleuropa" in these 8 counties).
i don't doubt that beyond these 8 countries it is not an issue whatsoever.
i expect that in Switzerland it is not an issue too.
probably in Poland (considering the results above) it is not much of an issue either.
those who are preoccupied with "Mitteleuropa" are probably just the countries that were part of the Habsburg monarchy in the past (especially the countries of the later Eastern Block).
(tho not sure to what degree Slovenia might be preoccupied with "Mitteleuropa" — maybe WBA could tell?).
on the Western side of Mitteleuropa there is big Germany and on the other side big Russia.
countries of Mitteleuropa (the buffer zone) are rather small (certainly not of the size they could resist expansive politics of Germany or Russia).
and thus these countries of the buffer zone (called Mitteleuropa) are permanently solving the dilemma of who is a bigger threat (if worse is being a German or a Russian satellite) or who should be the preferred "big brother", etc., etc. — a small-country-in-between syndrome.
thus many Czechs (probably also Slovaks and Hungarians) take interest in how Mitteleuropa (not only culturally, but even geographically) can be defined — our neverending dilemma is if to perceive ourselves as Eastern Westerners or Western Easterners — if we live on the Eastern outpost of Western Europe, or Western outpost of Eastern Europe, etc., etc.
ofc it is a ridiculous preoccupation.
but national identity issues are usually a ridiculous matter.
---------------------
it was already resolved in the past that the official one-word label of the country is supposed to be "Czechia".
but despite it was already resolved and should have been implemented, many locals still prefer the more complicated "Czech Republic" over simple "Czechia".
to me Czechia is fine, but many of my countrymen are of another opinion.
their reasons are usually as follows...
1/ local equivalent of Czechia is "Česko" and it sounds not nice (viz next point) to many local ears.
Czech ears are more accustomed to "Čechy" than "Česko" but "Čechy" (Bohemia) is only half of Czechia/Czech Republic.
thus certain disregard to local "Česko" is also extended on "Czechia" — and for some strange reason "Czech Republic" is perceived as a label that is more distant from "Česko" — yea, it makes no sense!
2/ "Czechia" has a German equivalent "Tschechien".
but Hitler preferred to use instead of "Tschechien" rather "Tschechei" (in his usage Tschechei was a derogatory version of Tschechien).
and to locals "Tschechei" indicates "Česko" aka "Czechia".
and "Czech Republic" is (somehow) perceived as closer to neutral "Tschechien" — yes, it makes no sense.
3/ in the early phase, when "Czechia" was resolved as the official label and started to become used internationally, there was/were the instance(s) when in Western Europe or U.S. mass media "Czechia" was mislabeled as "Chechnya" — and many locals got terrified.
and thus many locals prefer the Czech Republic because they believe this way is it more likely they won't be taken in Western Europe or U.S. as residents of Chechnya (i.e. coming from the far East).
but (regardless of "Middle Europe" or "Central Europe") meant is certainly "Mitteleuropa".
(i.e. what is the perception of "Mitteleuropa" in these 8 counties).
i don't doubt that beyond these 8 countries it is not an issue whatsoever.
i expect that in Switzerland it is not an issue too.
probably in Poland (considering the results above) it is not much of an issue either.
those who are preoccupied with "Mitteleuropa" are probably just the countries that were part of the Habsburg monarchy in the past (especially the countries of the later Eastern Block).
(tho not sure to what degree Slovenia might be preoccupied with "Mitteleuropa" — maybe WBA could tell?).
on the Western side of Mitteleuropa there is big Germany and on the other side big Russia.
countries of Mitteleuropa (the buffer zone) are rather small (certainly not of the size they could resist expansive politics of Germany or Russia).
and thus these countries of the buffer zone (called Mitteleuropa) are permanently solving the dilemma of who is a bigger threat (if worse is being a German or a Russian satellite) or who should be the preferred "big brother", etc., etc. — a small-country-in-between syndrome.
thus many Czechs (probably also Slovaks and Hungarians) take interest in how Mitteleuropa (not only culturally, but even geographically) can be defined — our neverending dilemma is if to perceive ourselves as Eastern Westerners or Western Easterners — if we live on the Eastern outpost of Western Europe, or Western outpost of Eastern Europe, etc., etc.
ofc it is a ridiculous preoccupation.
but national identity issues are usually a ridiculous matter.
---------------------
it was already resolved in the past that the official one-word label of the country is supposed to be "Czechia".
but despite it was already resolved and should have been implemented, many locals still prefer the more complicated "Czech Republic" over simple "Czechia".
to me Czechia is fine, but many of my countrymen are of another opinion.
their reasons are usually as follows...
1/ local equivalent of Czechia is "Česko" and it sounds not nice (viz next point) to many local ears.
Czech ears are more accustomed to "Čechy" than "Česko" but "Čechy" (Bohemia) is only half of Czechia/Czech Republic.
thus certain disregard to local "Česko" is also extended on "Czechia" — and for some strange reason "Czech Republic" is perceived as a label that is more distant from "Česko" — yea, it makes no sense!
2/ "Czechia" has a German equivalent "Tschechien".
but Hitler preferred to use instead of "Tschechien" rather "Tschechei" (in his usage Tschechei was a derogatory version of Tschechien).
and to locals "Tschechei" indicates "Česko" aka "Czechia".
and "Czech Republic" is (somehow) perceived as closer to neutral "Tschechien" — yes, it makes no sense.
3/ in the early phase, when "Czechia" was resolved as the official label and started to become used internationally, there was/were the instance(s) when in Western Europe or U.S. mass media "Czechia" was mislabeled as "Chechnya" — and many locals got terrified.
and thus many locals prefer the Czech Republic because they believe this way is it more likely they won't be taken in Western Europe or U.S. as residents of Chechnya (i.e. coming from the far East).
Last edited by Holdrüholoheuho on Wed May 05, 2021 10:54 pm, edited 1 time in total.
LOL!!! my preference for czech republic over czechia (aside from the comfortable familiarity of being used to something. i am still outraged even now that i went to little school with a nice friend called tom who suddenly when we got to big school insisted that his name was george (not knowing then the intoxicating properties this name would accrue when i grew up and discovered politicians) and i never ever ever managed to call him george. also i have lived in yorkshire more than half my life and to my chagrin i do not yet have a trace of a yorkshire accent - i guess there's only ever one groove implanted in my brain per thing) anyway, firstly when you contract the nice mouth-filling syllables of the czech republic to czechia, and worse, give it a cute little -ia ending, it sounds infantile, like you've just retarded a nation. also 'czech' sounds like check(-mate), thus echoes of winning declarations which are always fun to yell at people, and all czechia does is make me worry about how it's pronounced. but if everyone wants to use czechia, fine i guess i'll have to get used to it.ickykino tweeovalis wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 8:25 pm 3/ in the early phase, when "Czechia" was resolved as the official label and started to become used internationally, there was/were the instance(s) when in Western Europe or U.S. mass media "Czechia" was mislabeled as "Chechnya" — and many locals got terrified.
also i always thought i had a psychic affinity, if anywhere, with poland, but it does not seem very well at all at the minute
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
there are some locals who are averse to "Czechia" but feel like we should have a one-word label and thus they just use "Czech" (only omitting "Republic") as a label for the country.
and they don't care it is not grammatically correct.
they proudly say, "I am from Czech," and feel everyone in the English-speaking world can kiss their ass.
------------------------
for some strange reason, i was never (so far) in Poland.
i am not really a nomad type but i traveled across Europe (never pondered beyond) — with the exception of Poland (considering the easily reached countries).
it is not that i would not like to go (i planned a trip to Poland several times in the past) but it never happened.
i am proly somehow (subconsciously) repelled by Polish fervent catholicism.
tho i encountered Polish ppl that were/are more anti-clerical than me — so there is no reason for a boycot.
anyway, hopefully, i will visit Poland at least once in my lifetime.
and they don't care it is not grammatically correct.
they proudly say, "I am from Czech," and feel everyone in the English-speaking world can kiss their ass.
------------------------
for some strange reason, i was never (so far) in Poland.
i am not really a nomad type but i traveled across Europe (never pondered beyond) — with the exception of Poland (considering the easily reached countries).
it is not that i would not like to go (i planned a trip to Poland several times in the past) but it never happened.
i am proly somehow (subconsciously) repelled by Polish fervent catholicism.
tho i encountered Polish ppl that were/are more anti-clerical than me — so there is no reason for a boycot.
anyway, hopefully, i will visit Poland at least once in my lifetime.
Last edited by Holdrüholoheuho on Wed May 05, 2021 9:35 pm, edited 1 time in total.
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
in any case, i tend to evade the Czechia vs. Czech Republic dilemma by using "Bohemia" (don't tell to Moravians!).
my people! ♥ickykino tweeovalis wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 9:26 pm they proudly say, "I am from Czech," and feel everyone in the English-speaking world can kiss their ass.
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
speaking about censorship (in another thread)...
in Czechoslovakia, censorship can be divided into (basically) 3 phases/eras.
1/ censorship in capitalist Czechoslovakia 1918-1939
2/ censorship in nazi protectorate Bohemia-n-Moravia 1939-1945
3/ censorship in socialist Czechoslovakia 1945(1948)-1989
in the past, i started making lists (on KM) of the censored Czechoslovak films (in each of the 3 phases) but those lists are still far from complete.
1/ https://www.kinometer.com/?list=173
after the Habsburg monarchy (with its rich censorship culture) collapsed, the Czechoslovak capitalist state (1918-1939) issued ofc its own censorship legislature.
new-born Czechoslovakia was highly anti-clerical (response to the fervent catholicism of the previous/oppressive Habsburg monarchy) but one of the issues that were not tolerated in the artworks (censored) was sacrilege & blasphemy.
however, i don't know about any film (made in this era) that would attempt blasphemy and subsequently got banned.
seems like blasphemy was a red line that was respected by auteurs of cinema (tho i still hope i will discover one day some splendid early example of banned cinematic blasphemy).
obscenity was probably also banned (not sure to what degree).
allegedly, the first nude scene in the history of Czech cinema can be seen in the film called THE HIGHWAYMEN OF CHLUM • LOUPEŽNÍCI NA CHLUMU (1926/1927)
but this film was not banned.
another issue that capitalist Czechoslovakia was censoring was eulogizing the Bolshevik revolution in the Soviet Union (or eulogizing socialist revolution or radical socialism).
i heard, THE SHAFT OF BURIED IDEAS (Antonín Ludvík Havel, Rudolf Myzet, 1921) — a film about the violent strike of miners — was censored/banned.
what were the other films (from this era) that crossed the red line i have yet to investigate.
2/ https://www.kinometer.com/?list=176
so far, i identified only 4 films (of the local production) that were censored during the nazi protectorate (1939-1945) — certainly, there were many more bans.
SVANDA, THE BAGPIPER • ŠVANDA DUDÁK (Svatopluk Innemann, 1937) — Czech patriotism.
SKELETON ON HORSEBACK • BÍLÁ NEMOC (Hugo Haas, 1937) — pacifism, anti-nazi.
CÁCORKA (Jan Svoboda, 1935)
WIDOW FROM THE SKY • VDOVIČKA SPADLÁ S NEBE (Vladimír Slavínský, 1937)
i don't remember the reasons for censoring the last two entries, but maybe it was just due to someone "unacceptable" being part of the cast (some "petty issue" — not something "wrong" with the (dumb) narrative).
3/ https://www.kinometer.com/?list=162
my 1945(1948)-1989 list contains currently 51 entries (there were certainly more banned films tho).
communist regime (and its specific censoring strategy) started in 1948.
but even the gap from 1945 till 1948 was not devoid of censorship (tho i don't know the details).
after communists seized the power, censors were not only saying what NOT TO DO but also what TO DO (preferably), i.e. socialist realism.
after Comrade Stalin (and subsequently local Comrade Gottwald) died, thaw started, censorship weakened, and during the Prague Spring censorship was ultimately banned (removed from the legislature).
after the Warshaw Pact invasion (as far as i know — but maybe i am mistaken) censorship was not officially re-implemented into legislature but it was carried out on the pretext of laws that were not explicitly censorial.
so, if the local regime (in the 1970s-1980s) wanted to ban a music band they were doing the same thing that is described in the article (i shared in the other thread) about censoring punk bands in Yugoslavia, i.e. all local band to be allowed to make public gigs were supposed to pass the examination of the "kitsch committee", i.e. a few commie boomers were assessing if the boys and girls of the band look nice, play well and lyrics are positive & optimistic.
there was also some legislature that was persecuting anti-socialist activities and under this pretext, some "improper" books or films could also be banned, etc., etc.
quite usual was also that some easy-going, dumb (non-problematic) film was banned because someone from the cast or crew emigrated to the West.
so (in sum), there were many ways to censor (in 1970s-1980s) even with the lack of explicitly censorial legislature.
------------------------------------
and btw., speaking about Warsaw Pact invasion and all kinds of cinematic surprises (viz the Jan Palach poster)...
a few years ago, when i stumbled upon and watch a few short films by Fero Fenič (THE SWAN’S JOURNEY and HOW MR. KRÁĽOVIČ BECAME KING are mentioned in previous posts) i also discovered he made a student film in 1974 called HUMAN FLESH • ČLOVĚČINA (not to be mistaken with a feature film of the same name ČLOVĚČINA (1973) by Stanislav Štepka).
when i read the synopsis of the short student film HUMAN FLESH (1974) by Fero Fenič, i was also not completely sure if i am not hallucinating (similarly as during the first moment of seeing Jan Palach poster in KIŠMA).
https://www.csfd.cz/film/231362-clovecina/komentare/
synopsis says the short film is a crime reconstruction of the lynch taking place instantly after the Warsaw Pact invasion (in August 1968) in the Slovak city of Košice.
some Russian lady (wife of a soldier or officer) was seen tearing down some anti-invasion posters and locals as a revenge started to tear down her clothes, chased her naked through the streets of the town (this way lynching her).
i was shocked to hear something like this happened because i never ever heard of this in the past (saying again, i discovered this synopsis only a few years ago) — till that i heard about or saw only non-violent protests against the occupants (or there is the self-harm of Jan Palach — no harm done to occupants).
and besides, i was shocked a film depicting such a lynching could be made in 1974 in a local film school.
i didn't watch the film (it is not possible to find it anywhere) so i can't say how the lynching is staged in the film (allegedly it is a crime reconstruction based on the photograph that was published and Fero Fenič stumbled upon it — plus based on some additional information available), what says the voiceover (i expect there is some), etc., etc.
and i also don't know if the film faced any censorial problems (i expect making such a film was not an easy-going matter) if it was banned or just "put aside", or maybe it was "okay"???
in any case, Fero Fenič was not expelled from the school and graduated — so his short film HUMAN FLESH is a great mystery (that i will hopefully unveil once).
in Czechoslovakia, censorship can be divided into (basically) 3 phases/eras.
1/ censorship in capitalist Czechoslovakia 1918-1939
2/ censorship in nazi protectorate Bohemia-n-Moravia 1939-1945
3/ censorship in socialist Czechoslovakia 1945(1948)-1989
in the past, i started making lists (on KM) of the censored Czechoslovak films (in each of the 3 phases) but those lists are still far from complete.
1/ https://www.kinometer.com/?list=173
after the Habsburg monarchy (with its rich censorship culture) collapsed, the Czechoslovak capitalist state (1918-1939) issued ofc its own censorship legislature.
new-born Czechoslovakia was highly anti-clerical (response to the fervent catholicism of the previous/oppressive Habsburg monarchy) but one of the issues that were not tolerated in the artworks (censored) was sacrilege & blasphemy.
however, i don't know about any film (made in this era) that would attempt blasphemy and subsequently got banned.
seems like blasphemy was a red line that was respected by auteurs of cinema (tho i still hope i will discover one day some splendid early example of banned cinematic blasphemy).
obscenity was probably also banned (not sure to what degree).
allegedly, the first nude scene in the history of Czech cinema can be seen in the film called THE HIGHWAYMEN OF CHLUM • LOUPEŽNÍCI NA CHLUMU (1926/1927)
so, while revenging a traitorous woman a bare breast (i expect — i didn't watch the film yet) is exposed (or something alike).A gang of thieves capture a young parish priest from Újezd who is on his way to the wedding of Kačenka Procházková and old Petrlík, whose marriage has been arranged by the administrator Honejsek. However, Kačenka is not in love with Petrlík but with the young gamekeeper Adam. The leader of the thieves lets the priest go although he and his band visit the wedding, rob the guests and force the priest to marry Adam and Kačenka. They celebrate the wedding together in a woodland pub, where they are surprised by soldiers. The thieves escape and violently stop the carriage of a administrator's young wife and demand that she drive the newlyweds. Since the administrator's wife likes the leader of the gang she obliges him and helps Adam and Kačenka. However, while the soldiers are chasing them the carriage tips over. The couple escape but the leader of the gang is caught. During the night, with the help from his gang he escapes and spends the rest of the night with the woman. The soldiers surround the thieves with reinforcements and, thanks to the betrayal of a jealous girl named Tereza, the whole gang is slain. The only thief to remain alive "intends to wreak terrible revenge, he ties the unlucky girl to a tree and there ends her life with a bullet from his pistol..."
but this film was not banned.
another issue that capitalist Czechoslovakia was censoring was eulogizing the Bolshevik revolution in the Soviet Union (or eulogizing socialist revolution or radical socialism).
i heard, THE SHAFT OF BURIED IDEAS (Antonín Ludvík Havel, Rudolf Myzet, 1921) — a film about the violent strike of miners — was censored/banned.
what were the other films (from this era) that crossed the red line i have yet to investigate.
2/ https://www.kinometer.com/?list=176
so far, i identified only 4 films (of the local production) that were censored during the nazi protectorate (1939-1945) — certainly, there were many more bans.
SVANDA, THE BAGPIPER • ŠVANDA DUDÁK (Svatopluk Innemann, 1937) — Czech patriotism.
SKELETON ON HORSEBACK • BÍLÁ NEMOC (Hugo Haas, 1937) — pacifism, anti-nazi.
CÁCORKA (Jan Svoboda, 1935)
WIDOW FROM THE SKY • VDOVIČKA SPADLÁ S NEBE (Vladimír Slavínský, 1937)
i don't remember the reasons for censoring the last two entries, but maybe it was just due to someone "unacceptable" being part of the cast (some "petty issue" — not something "wrong" with the (dumb) narrative).
3/ https://www.kinometer.com/?list=162
my 1945(1948)-1989 list contains currently 51 entries (there were certainly more banned films tho).
communist regime (and its specific censoring strategy) started in 1948.
but even the gap from 1945 till 1948 was not devoid of censorship (tho i don't know the details).
after communists seized the power, censors were not only saying what NOT TO DO but also what TO DO (preferably), i.e. socialist realism.
after Comrade Stalin (and subsequently local Comrade Gottwald) died, thaw started, censorship weakened, and during the Prague Spring censorship was ultimately banned (removed from the legislature).
after the Warshaw Pact invasion (as far as i know — but maybe i am mistaken) censorship was not officially re-implemented into legislature but it was carried out on the pretext of laws that were not explicitly censorial.
so, if the local regime (in the 1970s-1980s) wanted to ban a music band they were doing the same thing that is described in the article (i shared in the other thread) about censoring punk bands in Yugoslavia, i.e. all local band to be allowed to make public gigs were supposed to pass the examination of the "kitsch committee", i.e. a few commie boomers were assessing if the boys and girls of the band look nice, play well and lyrics are positive & optimistic.
there was also some legislature that was persecuting anti-socialist activities and under this pretext, some "improper" books or films could also be banned, etc., etc.
quite usual was also that some easy-going, dumb (non-problematic) film was banned because someone from the cast or crew emigrated to the West.
so (in sum), there were many ways to censor (in 1970s-1980s) even with the lack of explicitly censorial legislature.
------------------------------------
and btw., speaking about Warsaw Pact invasion and all kinds of cinematic surprises (viz the Jan Palach poster)...
a few years ago, when i stumbled upon and watch a few short films by Fero Fenič (THE SWAN’S JOURNEY and HOW MR. KRÁĽOVIČ BECAME KING are mentioned in previous posts) i also discovered he made a student film in 1974 called HUMAN FLESH • ČLOVĚČINA (not to be mistaken with a feature film of the same name ČLOVĚČINA (1973) by Stanislav Štepka).
when i read the synopsis of the short student film HUMAN FLESH (1974) by Fero Fenič, i was also not completely sure if i am not hallucinating (similarly as during the first moment of seeing Jan Palach poster in KIŠMA).
https://www.csfd.cz/film/231362-clovecina/komentare/
synopsis says the short film is a crime reconstruction of the lynch taking place instantly after the Warsaw Pact invasion (in August 1968) in the Slovak city of Košice.
some Russian lady (wife of a soldier or officer) was seen tearing down some anti-invasion posters and locals as a revenge started to tear down her clothes, chased her naked through the streets of the town (this way lynching her).
i was shocked to hear something like this happened because i never ever heard of this in the past (saying again, i discovered this synopsis only a few years ago) — till that i heard about or saw only non-violent protests against the occupants (or there is the self-harm of Jan Palach — no harm done to occupants).
and besides, i was shocked a film depicting such a lynching could be made in 1974 in a local film school.
i didn't watch the film (it is not possible to find it anywhere) so i can't say how the lynching is staged in the film (allegedly it is a crime reconstruction based on the photograph that was published and Fero Fenič stumbled upon it — plus based on some additional information available), what says the voiceover (i expect there is some), etc., etc.
and i also don't know if the film faced any censorial problems (i expect making such a film was not an easy-going matter) if it was banned or just "put aside", or maybe it was "okay"???
in any case, Fero Fenič was not expelled from the school and graduated — so his short film HUMAN FLESH is a great mystery (that i will hopefully unveil once).
Last edited by Holdrüholoheuho on Sat May 08, 2021 12:56 am, edited 3 times in total.
- Holdrüholoheuho
- Posts: 3197
- Joined: Sat Sep 05, 2020 12:30 am
- Location: Prague, Bohemia
if a band didn't pass the "kitsch committee" examination (in the 1970s-1980s Czechoslovakia) and thus was not allowed to make public gigs, one option how to bypass this (indirect) ban was to play at weddings.
wedding was considered a private party and thus a wedding band didn't need the approval of the kitsch committee.
thus gigs of banned bands were sometimes framed as weddings.
there are two short films that provide a glimpse of these gigs/weddings...
HANIBAL'S WEDDING (Jan Ságl, 1974) 20m
https://dafilms.com/film/10192-hanibal-s-wedding
https://dafilms.com/film/10195-wilson-s-wedding
https://youtu.be/RaNjmivU_-Y
wedding was considered a private party and thus a wedding band didn't need the approval of the kitsch committee.
thus gigs of banned bands were sometimes framed as weddings.
there are two short films that provide a glimpse of these gigs/weddings...
HANIBAL'S WEDDING (Jan Ságl, 1974) 20m
https://dafilms.com/film/10192-hanibal-s-wedding
WILSON'S WEDDING (Jan Ságl, 1972) 3mIn honour of Arnošt and Jaroslava Hanibal’s wedding in September 1974, Ivan M. Jirous held the ‘First Festival of Other Culture’ in Postupice, with the passive presence of the police. Performers included Old Teenagers, Sen Noci Svatojánské Band, Goldberg Grass Band, DG 307, Svatopluk Karásek, Charlie Soukup, and the Plastic People. The evening also featured a screening of Jan Ságl’s earlier films. The documentary opens with people gathering by the Rudolfinum in Prague, and also captures a part of the various performances. From the footage, it is evident that there were other cameramen present with 16mm film, making this one of the best-documented underground events.
https://dafilms.com/film/10195-wilson-s-wedding
footage from the aforementioned "First Festival of Other Culture in Postupice" (viz Hanibal's wedding)...The wedding film of the Plastic People’s singer, Paul Wilson, shows the scene before and after the ceremony at the town hall in Prague 5, including the gathered friends and the final departure of the newlyweds.
https://youtu.be/RaNjmivU_-Y