2017 Poll 2.0

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2017 Poll 2.0

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Choose your favourite films from 2017 (according to IMDB).

Each person can vote for up to 20 films. Do not feel compelled to fill the maximum allowable number.

Twenty-film ballots can be formatted as follows:
- Five tiers of four films each, 4/4/4/4/4; scored 5-4-3-2-1 pts/film/tier
- Four tiers of five films each, 5/5/5/5; scored 4.5-3.5-2.5-1.5 pts/film/tier
- Two tiers of ten films each, 10/10; scored 4-2 pts/film/tier
- No tiers, unranked; scored 3 pts/film
- A 20-film three-tier ballot is not possible

A tiered ballot can include less than 20 films, but in that case the total number of films must still be able to be factored by the number of tiers, so:
- A five tier ballot can include only 20, 15, 10, or 5 films
- A four tier ballot can include only 20, 16, 12, 8, or 4 films
- A three tier ballot (scored 5-3-1) can include only 18, 15, 12, 9, 6, or 3 films
- A two tier ballot can include only 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, or 2 films
- Ballots that are 19, 17, 13, 11, 7 or 1 films must be no tiers

Users are urged to post their provisional lists as soon as possible, so that others can use them for recommendations. You may revise your lists at any point prior to the deadline.

Deadline for 2017 ballots will be Wednesday, January 31st, at roughly midnight EST.
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The Other Side of Hope 2017 ‘Toivon tuolla puolen’ Directed by Aki Kaurismäki
Drift 2017 Directed by Helena Wittmann
Twin Peaks: The Return 2017 Directed by David Lynch
Phantom Thread 2017 Directed by Paul Thomas Anderson
Call Me by Your Name 2017 Directed by Luca Guadagnino
Good Time 2017 Directed by Josh Safdie, Benny Safdie
Thelma 2017 Directed by Joachim Trier
Zama 2017 Directed by Lucrecia Martel
Phantom Brickworks 2017 Directed by Bibio
Geomancer 2017 ‘风水师’ Directed by Lawrence Lek

Professor Marston and the Wonder Women 2017 Directed by Angela Robinson
On the Beach at Night Alone 2017 ‘밤의 해변에서 혼자’ Directed by Hong Sang-soo
The Wild Boys 2017 ‘Les Garçons sauvages’ Directed by Bertrand Mandico
Edge of Alchemy 2017 Directed by Stacey Steers
Paddington 2 2017 Directed by Paul King
The Beguiled 2017 Directed by Sofia Coppola
God’s Own Country 2017 Directed by Francis Lee
The Green Ray 2017 Directed by Scott Barley
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[provisional list deleted]
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hello, horse! - laila pakalniņa
little crusader - václav kadrnka
the stand-in - rä di martino
the little match girl - alejo moguillansky
ramiro - manuel mozos
rey - niles atallah
zama - lucrecia martel
something useful - pelin esmer
faces places - agnès varda, jr
edge of alchemy - stacey steers
restless - robert todd
dieste [uruguay] - heinz emigholz
a tiger in winter - lee kwang-kuk
claire's camera - hong sang-soo
the day after - hong sang-soo
on the beach at night alone - hong sang-soo
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the florida project (baker)
paddington 2 (king)
zama (martel)
drift (wittman)
good time (safdies)
el mar la mar (sniadecki, bonnetta)
john wick chapter 2 (stahelski)
anaarkali of aarah (das)
ingrid goes west (spicer)
coco (unkrich)
get out (peele)

ok some of these are just place holders - somehow missed lencho's 'commie' coco review :lol:
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Of the eight I seem to have seen, I don't rate two (Meyerowitz Stories, Shape of Water), and the last on this list probably gets its spot only because I'm feeling charitable - because I don't remember much of anything about it except that it's a kind of Honey, I Shrunk the Kids with Matt Damon in the Rick Moranis role and that Christoph Waltz also shows up. But I don't recall disliking it, and its director is, I think, incapable of making a truly lousy movie.

So (and this may be my final list):

Chronicles of the Time of Troubles (Vladimir Eisner)
The Phantom Thread
The Square
Waiting for the Barbarians
First Reformed
Downsizing
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5 tiers


Ava (Léa Mysius, France)
Mektoub, My Love: Canto Uno (Abdellatif Kechiche, France/Tunisia/Italy)
Die Hölle - Inferno "Cold Hell" (Stefan Ruzowitzky, Austria/Germany)
Offene Wunde deutscher Film "Open Wounds – A Journey through German Genre Films" [director's cut] (Dominik Graf/Johannes Sievert, Germany)

King Arthur: Legend of the Sword (Guy Ritchie, USA/UK/Australia)
Blind & Hässlich "Blind & Ugly" (Tom Lass, Germany)
You Were Never Really Here (Lynne Ramsay, UK/USA/France)
SPF-18 (Alex Isreal, USA)

Martin pleure "Martin Cries" (Jonathan Vinel, France)
High Society (Anika Decker, Germany)
Baby Driver (Edgar Wright, UK)
Kong: Skull Island (Jordan Vogt-Roberts, USA/China)

Going in Style (Zach Braff, USA)
Logan Lucky (Steven Soderbergh, USA)
Bamui haebyun-eoseo honja "On the Beach at Night Alone" (Sang-soo Hong / South Korea/Germany)
The Hitman’s Bodyguard (Patrick Hughes, USA/Netherlands/Hong Kong/Canada/Bulgaria/France)

A Thought of Ecstasy (Rolf Peter Kahl, Germany/USA/Switzerland)
Gutland (Govinda Van Maele, Luxembourg/Germany/Belgium/France)
Sleepless (Baran bo Odar, USA)
CHIPS (Dax Shepard, USA)
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Good Time (Joshua and Ben Safdie)
How To Talk To Girls At Parties (John Cameron Mitchell)
Thondimuthalum Dhriksakshiyum (Dileesh Pothan)
The Square (Ruben Ostlund)

Bushwick (Jonathan Milott and Cary Murnion)
Cruel Optimism (Paul Clipson)
Wasteland No 1 - Ardent, Verdant (Jodie Mack)
The Trial (Eric Notarnicola)

Finding Frances (Nathan Fielder)
Bodied (Joseph Kahn)
I, Tonya (Craig Gillespie)
Get Out (Jordan Peele)

Dunkirk (Christopher Nolan)
Bad Genius (Nattawut Poonpiriya)
Phantom Thread (PT Anderson)
You Were Never Really Here (Lynne Ramsay)

The Meyerowitz Stories (Noah Baumbach)
The Outcasts (Peter Hutchings)
The Dinner (Oren Moverman)
Ingrid Goes West (Matt Spicer)
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Thondimuthalum Driksakshiyum (Dileesh Pothan)
The Little Match Girl (Alejo Moguillansky)
Kaatru Veliyidae (Mani Ratnam)
Lu Over the Wall (Masaaki Yuasa)
The Night is Short, Walk on Girl (Masaaki Yuasa)

Baahubali: The Conclusion (S.S. Rajamouli)
Thupparivaalan (Mysskin)
The Day After (Hong Sang-Soo)
Claire's Camera (Hong Sang-Soo)
Before we Vanish (Kiyoshi Kurosawa)

Mrs. Hyde (Serge Bozon)
Raees (Rahul Dholakia)
Am Abend aller Tage (Dominik Graf)
Tatort: Der rote Schatten (Dominik Graf)
Anaarkali of Aarah (Avinash Das)
Rangoon (Vishal Bhardwaj)

Daddy (Ashim Ahluwalia)
The 8-Year Engagement (Takahisa Zeze)
The Lowlife (Takahisa Zeze)
Always Be With You (Herman Yau)
77 Heartbreaks (Herman Yau)

need to rewatch zama, was planning to read the book anyway. and curious about those alternate versions of the kiyoshi kurosawa. wish the campusanos had subtitles...
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The Beguiled (Sofia Coppola)
BPM (Beats Per Minute) (Robin Campillo)
Caniba (Lucien Castaing-Taylor and Véréna Paravel)
First Reformed (Paul Schrader)
Foxtrot (Samuel Maoz)
Good Time (Josh and Benny Safdie)
The Killing of a Sacred Deer (Yorgos Lanthimos)
Phantom Thread (Paul Thomas Anderson)
The Rider (Chloé Zhao)
Song to Song (Terrence Malick)
Western (Valeska Grisebach)
You Were Never Really Here (Lynne Ramsay)

Want to watch:

Baahubali: The Conclusion (S.S. Rajamouli)
Claire's Camera (Hong Sang-soo)
Custody (Xavier Legrand)
Dark (Paul Schrader)
The Florida Project (Sean Baker)
Hannah (Andrea Pallaoro)
Jeannette: The Childhood of Joan of Arc (Bruno Dumont)
Milla (Valérie Massadian)
Okja (Bong Joon-ho)
Sweet Country (Warwick Thornton)
The Third Murder (Hirokazu Kore-eda)
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri (Martin McDonagh)
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Hitler’s Hollywood 2017 ‘Hitlers Hollywood’ Directed by Rüdiger Suchsland

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As per that last screenshot, I'm surprised that anyone would think Nazi cinema's total lack of irony striking. Totalitarian regimes of all stripes are routinely destitute of a sense of irony or humor - this lack is one of their defining qualities. As is a fondness for kitsch.
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gonna see more(Kaurismaki, Baumbach, Obayashi, etc...) for sure but already concrete 20 list

Ex Libris: The New York Public Library
Let the Summer Never Come Again
On the Beach at Night Alone
Twin Peaks: The Return

24 Frames
Before We Vanish
Faces Places
World of Tomorrow Episode Two: The Burden of Other People’s Thoughts

Logan
The Day After
The Post
Shoah: Four Sisters

Good Time
Lover for a Day
Phantom Thread
The Night I Swam

Colombus
Good Luck
Jeannette: The Childhood of Joan of Arc
The Lion Sleeps Tonight

and more...

A Ghost Story
First Reformed
John Wick: Chapter 2
Lu Over the Wall
Milla
Paddington 2
Taste of Cement
The Rider
Western
Zama
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Luther and His Legacy 2017 ‘De erfenis van Luther’ Directed by Peter Greenaway

Greenaway entering his Mark Rappaport era?

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I do enjoy hearing an old posh British man saying words like 'oligarchy' and 'vernacular.'
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(Actually a little research has revealed that 2017 might not be, as I'd earlier assumed it to be, worthless - there are a few intriguing works from this year, mostly from the ex-Soviet realm. Bottomless Bag, for instance. And, though I gave up on him years ago, I may just may look at one of the Hong Sang-soo movies from this year. Are there seven of them or only six in 2017?)
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Unranked

At the Horizon - Takashi Makino / Manuel Knapp
Cocote [Neck] - Nelson Carlo Los Santos Arias
Good Time - Ben Safdie / Joshua Safdie
Phantom Thread - Paul Thomas Anderson
On the Beach at Night Alone - Hong Sang-soo
Estiu 1993 [Summer 1993] - Carla Simón
Jeannette, l'enfance de Jeanne d'Arc [Jeannette: The Childhood of Joan of Arc] - Bruno Dumont
Paddington 2 - Paul King
The Rider - Chloé Zhao
Sleep Has Her House - Scott Barley
Zama - Lucrecia Martel
Twin Peaks: The Return - David Lynch
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willem dafoe's most likeable character... ever?

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omg i just. k i'll finish the movie now :P

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fucking florida man

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Atomic Blonde 2017 Directed by David Leitch

Passably entertaining stuff, probably will have forgotten most of it tomorrow. I haven't seen John Wick but I imagine this one's like that but with Berlin, spies, new-wave music and Charlize Theron being hot.

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Theron feels taller than 1,77 m, she's towering over all the other people in the film.
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First Reformed - Paul Schrader
The Day After - Hong Song-Soo
The Florida Project - Sean Baker
Phantom Thread - Paul Thomas Anderson
One Cut of the Dead - Shinichiro Ueda
The Square - Ruben Ostlund
You Were Never Really Here - Lynne Ramsay
Satan's Slaves - Joko Anwar
Terrified - Demien Rugna
Twin Peaks: The Return - David Lynch

I probably wouldn't include TP if there wasn't already a pretty significant precedent for counting it as a film on year end lists, starting with Cahiers Du Cinema. It was groundbreaking television for me... but I still like to distinguish between television and film. But if I'm going to go against my standard judgments, this is probably the best one to do it with.
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its snowing! gonna try twin peaks. i dont remember too much from the original series and ive been putting this off for awhile

edit: ok i remember enough :lol:

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poor dougie :?
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Junk Head - Takahide Hori

Stop-motion sci-fi; it's as if the Quay Brothers went looking for the wildest possible manga to adapt. Ghost In The Shell/Street Of Crocodiles metaphysics, class-consciousness, monsters and lots of middle-school humor. Pretty amazing. You know where to find it.

It hasn't snowed here, but it's cold as fuh.

There's so much Twin Peaks stuff now I don't know where to start, I feel hamstrung.
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i might watch atomic blonde as an antidote to so much abuse. twin peaks needs furiosa :lol:

RIP harry dean stanton who was 90 here and even sings 8-) what an icon!
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i think i have 3 more episodes - i will finish today 🤞

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HA for a minute there i thought there might be a happy ending :lol: i'm glad dougie made it home
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First Reformed (Schrader)
Ex Libris: The New York Public Library (Wiseman)
Get Out (Peele)
Good Time (Safdie)
One Cut of the Dead (Ueda)

Western (Grisebach)
BPM (Beats Per Minute) (Campillo)
The Meyerowitz Stories (Baumbach)
The Day After (Hong)
Call Me by Your Name (Guadagnino)

Faces Places (Varda)
Zama (Martel)
I, Tonya (Gillespie)
On the Beach at Night Alone (Hong)
The Killing of a Sacred Deer (Lanthimos)
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Mariano Llinas cowrote La Cordilleras/The Summit but it's not very Llinas -- an Argentine president attends a summit meeting about the region's oil production, has some experiences that force him to refine his moral compass, and ends up voting for a measure that looks like the first wee incremental step toward dismantling the US hegemony; it's like the tiniest possible win, but it's positioned in the narrative in the place that a crucial, world-changing moment would land if the movie were more stupidly pop-fantasy wish fulfillment. Minimalism...

It's online, it's subtitled, if anybody wants it I'll do a thing.
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The great Uzbek surrealist of Russian film does beautiful, totally bonkers remake of Japanese classic Rashomon. If there's a better film from 2017 I'll eat my hat.
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the bottomless bag right? i'm going to watch it
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Lencho of the Apes wrote: Wed Jan 17, 2024 8:03 pm Mariano Llinas cowrote La Cordilleras/The Summit but it's not very Llinas
i have no idea what to really make of the llinas/mitre connection (i think they went to school together?), or really any of llinas writing work outside of the pampero cine family, whereas moguillansky's "outside" work as editor tends to make a lot more sense...

the more serious argentine film writers don't seem to think very highly of him either; i don't think candela so much as mentions him in his enormous 12 years retrospective. did find this one terse dismissal of la cordillera from ivan zgaib - "ficción de moralismo abstracto venía a reconfirmar el sentido común de la derecha: que la política ensucia"
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I'm not praising or defending the movie -- struck me as very middling in all respects -- but I don't agree with Zgaib's assessment. The script is seeded with moments where the main character is confronted with the perception of dirtiness in politics, and as a result he reawakens to the need to assert his (possibly dormant) principles and start doing the right things.
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Aala Kaf Ifrit (Beauty and the Dogs)
Aritmiya (Arrhythmia)
Brawl in Cell Block 99
Dunkirk
Félicité
Get Out
Jia nian hua (Angels Wear White)
Jusqu'à la garde (Custody)
Lerd (A Man of Integrity)
L'insulte (The Insult)
Only the Brave
Petit paysan (Bloody Milk)
Rudar (The Miner)
Taeksi woonjunsa (A Taxi Driver)
The Nile Hilton Incident
The Post
Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
Time Trap
Wind River
Wonder
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