1938 Poll 2.0

Evelyn Library P.I. · Post by **Evelyn Library P.I.** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 2:43 pm

Choose your favourite films from 1938 (according to IMDB).

Each person can vote for up to 20 films. Do not feel compelled to fill the maximum allowable number.

Twenty-film ballots can be formatted as follows:
- Five tiers of four films each, 4/4/4/4/4; scored 5-4-3-2-1 pts/film/tier
- Four tiers of five films each, 5/5/5/5; scored 4.5-3.5-2.5-1.5 pts/film/tier
- Two tiers of ten films each, 10/10; scored 4-2 pts/film/tier
- No tiers, unranked; scored 3 pts/film
- A 20-film three-tier ballot is not possible

A tiered ballot can include less than 20 films, but in that case the total number of films must still be able to be factored by the number of tiers, so:
- A five tier ballot can include only 20, 15, 10, or 5 films
- A four tier ballot can include only 20, 16, 12, 8, or 4 films
- A three tier ballot (scored 5-3-1) can include only 18, 15, 12, 9, 6, or 3 films
- A two tier ballot can include only 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, or 2 films
- Ballots that are 19, 17, 13, 11, 7 or 1 films must be no tiers

Users are urged to post their provisional lists as soon as possible, so that others can use them for recommendations. You may revise your lists at any point prior to the deadline.

Deadline for 1938 ballots will be Sunday, December 31st, at roughly midnight EST.

greennui · Post by **greennui** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 2:49 pm

The Song of the Scarlet Flower 1938 ‘Laulu tulipunaisesta kukasta’ Directed by Teuvo Tulio
Port of Shadows 1938 ‘Le quai des brumes’ Directed by Marcel Carné
The Lady Vanishes 1938 Directed by Alfred Hitchcock
vivacious lady (stevens)
The Masseurs and a Woman 1938 ‘按摩と女’ Directed by Hiroshi Shimizu

Holiday 1938 Directed by George Cukor
Bringing Up Baby 1938 Directed by Howard Hawks
Hôtel du Nord 1938 Directed by Marcel Carné
A Woman’s Face 1938 ‘En kvinnas ansikte’ Directed by Gustaf Molander
Jack’s Dream 1938 Directed by Joseph Cornell

An Optical Poem 1938 Directed by Oskar Fischinger
Película familiar 1938 Directed by José Val del Omar
Simple Destiny Abstractions 1938 Directed by Douglass Crockwell
English Harvest 1938 Directed by Humphrey Jennings
North Sea 1938 Directed by Harry Watt

Website · Post by **rischka** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 2:58 pm

les trois valses/three waltzes (berger)
l'etrange m. victor (gremillon)
le roman de werther/young werther (ophüls)
hôtel du nord (carné)
laulu tulipunaisesta kukasta/song of the scarlet flower (tulio)

st. martin's lane/sidewalks of london (whelan)
the lady vanishes (hitchcock)
varastettu kuolema/stolen death (tapiovaara)
按摩と女/the masseurs and a woman (shimizu)
childhood of maxim gorky (donskoy)

holiday (cukor)
le quai des brumes/port of shadows (carné)
vivacious lady (stevens)
mollenard/hatred (siodmak)
sysmäläinen (vaala)

鶯/nightingale (toyoda)
螢の光/hotaru no hikari (sasaki)
la marseillaise (renoir)
bluebeard's eighth wife (lubitsch)
le puritain (musso)

final list edited!

sally · Post by **sally** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 3:46 pm

bluebeard’s eighth wife - ernst lubitsch
stolen death - nyrki tapiovaara
quadrille - sacha guitry
hatred/mollenard - robert siodmak
sysmäläinen - valentin vaala
película familiar - josé val del omar
jack's dream - joseph cornell
bookstalls - joseph cornell
la marseillaise - jean renoir
strange m. victor - jean grémillon
the people of the vistula - aleksander ford, jerzy zarzycki
the masseurs and a woman - hiroshi shimizu
hôtel du nord - marcel carné
pygmalion - leslie howard, anthony asquith
la bête humaine - jean renoir
alexander nevsky - sergei eisenstein, dmitriy vasilev
the lady vanishes - alfred hitchcock

to watch
pagnol, epstein, molander, goetz....

and i suppose i should finally get around to watching robin hood, esp given that that was the base film that constituted the key paper in the gloriously dada film analysis strain that is cinemetrics

https://cinemetrics.uchicago.edu/distrib.pdf

sally · Post by **sally** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 4:00 pm

ICONIC

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O9KLHl47R04

karl · Post by **karl** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 4:26 pm

Good year! Long list of contenders, much I'd like to see - tho' journeying thru' South America with the wife at present, so don't know how many of those I'll get to.

The Lady Vanishes
The Masseurs and a Woman
The Childhood of Gorky
Angels with Dirty Faces
La Bête Humaine
The New Moscow
The Puritan
The Child (Breistein)
Stolen Death
A Letter from Mother (Green & Trystan)
Nightingale (Toyoda)
So Goes My Love (Shimazu)
Composition Class (Yamamoto)
Strange M. Victor
Port of Shadows
Spawn of the North
Holiday
Four Daughters
You Can't Take It with You
Pygmalion
Three Comrades
The Guild of the Kutna Hora Virgins
Family Diary (Shimizu)
Suez
The Sidewalks of London
The Citadel
The Great Waltz
The Shining Hour
Hatred
Bluebeard's Eighth Wife
Robin Hood

Post by **flip** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 4:58 pm

from the mid-1930s up to the end of last century, this might be the year from which i've seen the fewest good films, though if karl says it's a good year, i'm sure i just haven't seen enough. several good comedies at the top but i'm hoping to replace the last several films on my list, they aren't films i really care about:

The Rage of Paris (Henry Koster)
Jezebel (William Wyler)
Mad About Music (Norman Taurog)
That Certain Age (Edward Ludwig)

The Young in Heart (Richard Wallace)
The Masseurs and a Woman (Hiroshi Shimizu)
Mr Boggs Steps Out (Gordon Wiles)
The Mad Miss Manton (Leigh Jason)

They Drive By Night (Arthur Woods)
Merrily We Live (Norman Z McLeod)
The Lady Vanishes (Alfred Hitchcock)
Prison Break (Arthur Lubin)

You Can't Take It With You (Frank Capra)
Bringing Up Baby (Howard Hawks)
Pygmalion (Anthony Asquith)
The Divorce of Lady X (Tim Whelan)

Holiday (George Cukor)
Jack's Dream (Joseph Cornell)
An Optical Poem (Oskar Fischinger)
Secrets of an Actress (William Keighley)

St. Gloede · Post by **St. Gloede** » Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:50 pm

It has been a very long time since I saw the majority of these. Interestingly a rather comedy heavy year for me as we move down the list a little, and what's up with Boys Town and Boys' School popping up at different sides of the Atlantic?

Aleksandr Nevskiy (1938, Sergei M. Eisenstein)
Angels with Dirty Faces (1938, Michael Curtiz)
Le Quai des brumes / Port of Shadows (1938, Marcel Carné)
Varastettu kuolema / Stolen Death (1938, Nyrki Tapiovaara)

Jezebel (1938, William Wyler)
Mollenard (1938, Robert Siodmak)
Pygmalion (1938, Anthony Asquith)
Novaya Moskva / The New Moscow (1938, Aleksandr Medvedkin, Aleksandr Olenin)

Bringing Up Baby (1938, Howard Hawks)
The Amazing Dr. Clitterhouse (1938, Anatole Litvak)
The Lady Vanishes (1938, Alfred Hitchcock)
A Slight Case of Murder (1938, Lloyd Bacon)

Detstvo Gorkogo / The Childhood of Maxim Gorky (1938, Mark Donskoy)
Bluebeard's Eighth Wife (1938, Ernst Lubitsch)
La femme du boulanger / The Baker's Wife (1938, Marcel Pagnol)
Skola základ zivota / School Is the Foundation of Life (1938, Martin Fric)

Boys Town (1938, Norman Taurog)
Les disparus de St. Agil / Boys' School (1938, Christian-Jaque)
The Young in Heart (1938, Richard Wallace)
You Can't Take It with You (1938, Frank Capra)

Honourable mentions:

Quadrille (1938, Sacha Guitry)
La Marseillaise (1938, Jean Renoir)
Le schpountz (1938, Marcel Pagnol)
Remontons les Champs-Élysées / Let's Go Up the Champs-Élysées (1938, Sacha Guitry)
The Shopworn Angel (1938, H.C. Potter)
Four Daughters (1938, Michael Curtiz)
Gold Is Where You Find It (1938, Michael Curtiz)
You and Me (1938, Fritz Lang)

frisson · Post by **frisson** » Sat Dec 02, 2023 12:43 am

I have not seen basically anything from this year, I usually dig through years in which film industries from around the world have already flourished and when there's lots to pick from, instead of having to dig through a few prominent countries or regions. After doing some digging I did eventually come up with an (overly ambitious, again

) list of films that I'll try to watch within the month!

Spoiler!

For friends with letterboxd I also compiled it to a list there:
https://boxd.it/ql986$VHpOtZBTaUZuVSQF

wba · Post by **wba** » Sat Dec 02, 2023 10:12 am

Seen merely 40+ films from this year...

These are the masterpieces.

Final List

4 tiers

Michelangelo (Curt Oertel, Germany/Switzerland)
Anna Favetti (Erich Waschneck, Germany)
Verwehte Spuren "Covered Tracks" (Veit Harlan, Germany)

Bringing Up Baby (Howard Hawks, USA)
Mannesmann (Walter Ruttmann, Germany)
Karriär "Career" (Schamyl Bauman, Sweden)

Le quai des brumes "Port of Shadows (Marcel Carné, France)
Detstvo Gorkogo "The Childhood of Maxim Gorky" (Mark Donskoy, Soviet Union)
You and Me (Fritz Lang, USA)

Ein Mädchen geht an Land "A Girl Goes Ashore" (Werner Hochbaum, Germany)
La Marseillaise "The Marseillaise" (Jean Renoir, France)
La bête humaine "The Human Beast" (Jean Renoir, France)

Post by **Lencho of the Apes** » Sun Dec 03, 2023 12:11 am

Only the first six or seven are movies I value more than "lightly likeable," and even then I found it hard to come up with a full twenty. If I try again, things like Robin Hood will probably show up.

Bringing Up Baby - Hawks
Holiday - Cukor
The Lady Vanishes - Hitchcock
You And Me - Lang

Angels With Dirty Faces - Curtiz
The Masseurs And A Woman - Shimizu
Padre De Mas Que Cuatro -
The Young In Heart - Roland Brown

Alexander Nevsky - Eisenstein
Birthright - Micheaux
Composition Class - Yamamoto
Hotel Du Nord - Carne
Sinners In Paradise - Whale
Test Pilot - Victor Fleming

Website · Post by **rischka** » Mon Dec 04, 2023 1:33 am

a woman's face/en kvinnas ansikte (gustaf molander)

ingrid is probably at a disadvantage here because i've seen joan crawford

and she's a far more convincing criminal. a rare case where the hollywood version is better imo

nice noir lighting ... greennui do you have one of these coats. what about a sleigh

greennui · Post by **greennui** » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:15 pm

Well, I had a bob sleigh as a kid, that's pretty much it.

Post by **flip** » Mon Dec 04, 2023 5:59 pm

Lencho of the Apes wrote: ↑Sun Dec 03, 2023 12:11 am The Young In Heart - Roland Brown

i think richard wallace directed that, but it would have been fascinating if rowland brown did it. his only 1938 credit is a co-write on angels with dirty faces.

greennui · Post by **greennui** » Tue Dec 05, 2023 10:54 am

I got the 30's bug but very much pre-code, no films from´38 excite me at all.

Website · Post by **rischka** » Tue Dec 05, 2023 2:18 pm

having watched alexander's ragtime band last night, i get it. i like irving berlin but zzzzzzzzzzzz

edit: four daughters is slightly more diverting if still deeply corny. at least there's claude rains (and the promise of john garfield)

didn't realize this stars 3 (but not 4) real life sisters. and i can report that priscilla lane's sisters are just as insipid as she is

edit: John garfield is playing a proto-hipster character

bc ofc. this film was so popular it spawned a series with (u guessed it) four wives (1939) and four mothers (1941) UGHHHHHHH

this was garfield's first film and he was nominated for an oscar for best supporting actor. his character is insufferable and this plot is the worst

so enough abt films that won't make my list i'll be back when i find something good!

sally · Post by **sally** » Sat Dec 09, 2023 1:47 pm

the woman at the end of the world - jean epstein

not the most flashy of his films but a tender, humane, quiet little sea film about the siren song of nationalism....i love epstein...(and charles vanel)

Website · Post by **rischka** » Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:12 pm

l'etrange m victor was great! gorky's childhood was wild

these will make my list

uguisu (toyoda) slice of life stream of humanity in the midst of a grinding poverty. police in a rural village try to solve life's problems by imposing laws. a messy proposition

the title is translated as 'nightingale' but it's actually a japanese bush warbler

there are chickens also

the wonderful character actress sugimura haruko in only her 3rd film and already a standout

excuse the terrible quality, i enjoyed this quite a lot. and it's on youtube

Website · Post by **rischka** » Thu Dec 14, 2023 4:49 am

Sysmäläinen (Vaala) is a finnish gender swapping romantic comedy with swordfights and shakespearean mistaken identity plot. our hero isn't the brightest but he's a good natured sort and learns a few things about women (such as they are not all the same)

Angel · Post by **Angel** » Sat Dec 16, 2023 5:08 pm

Algiers
Angels with Dirty Faces
Bank Holiday
Carmen, la de Triana
Florian
Holiday
I Am the Law
J'accuse! (I Accuse)
Jezebel
Kilómetro 111 (Kilometer 111)
La bête humaine (The Human Beast)
La femme du boulanger (The Baker’s Wife)
Le roman de Werther (The Novel of Werther)
Luciano Serra, pilota (Luciano Serra, Pilot)
Mollenard (Hatred)
Spawn of the North
The Drum
The Young in Heart
Three Comrades
Urlaub auf Ehrenwort (Furlough on Parole)

Deliberately excluded (IMDb/Lbxd/TSPDT/S&S top 1000)
Aleksandr Nevskiy
Bringing Up Baby
Le quai des brumes
The Adventures of Robin Hood
The Lady Vanishes
You Can't Take It with You
Olympia

To watch before the deadline
Hana chirinu
Mujeres que trabajan
Robo no ishi
Vessel of Wrath

Wanted
A Canção da Terra
Prison sans barreaux
Professor Mamlok
Zapomniana melodia

greennui · Post by **greennui** » Sun Dec 17, 2023 11:36 am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxH08jdzxqM

Piggies and whatnot

greennui · Post by **greennui** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 12:28 am

Vivacious Lady was cute.

Website · Post by **rischka** » Mon Dec 18, 2023 1:30 pm

YAY

I rewatched bringing up baby w commentary by bogdanovich. it's probably his favorite movie. he did impressions of Cary grant and Howard hawks

Post by **Lencho of the Apes** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:08 pm

rischka wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:12 pm uguisu (toyoda) slice of life stream of humanity in the midst of a grinding poverty. police in a rural village try to solve life's problems by imposing laws. a messy proposition

I hope to get to this, but I'm going to watch Hotaru-0no-hikari first; it was on somebody's prelim. Hope I have time for both... Also, I want to give a shoutout to Nakimushi-kozo (translated on youtube as 'Cryboy') , also by Toyoda. Sadboy stuff; I'm a sucker for that Antoine Doinel vibe, and this kid has the worst homelife ever. Particularly relatable to me because reasons.

ofrene · Post by **ofrene** » Sat Dec 23, 2023 11:48 pm

The Childhood of Maxim Gorky
The Lady Vanishes
The Masseurs and a Woman

Bluebeard’s Eighth Wife
Bringing Up Baby
Holiday

Alexander Nevsky
La Marseillaise
Tsuruhachi and Tsurujiro

Website · Post by **rischka** » Sun Dec 24, 2023 11:44 pm

Lencho of the Apes wrote: ↑Sat Dec 23, 2023 9:08 pm
rischka wrote: ↑Mon Dec 11, 2023 3:12 pm uguisu (toyoda) slice of life stream of humanity in the midst of a grinding poverty. police in a rural village try to solve life's problems by imposing laws. a messy proposition
I hope to get to this, but I'm going to watch Hotaru-0no-hikari first; it was on somebody's prelim. Hope I have time for both... Also, I want to give a shoutout to Nakimushi-kozo (translated on youtube as 'Cryboy') , also by Toyoda. Sadboy stuff; I'm a sucker for that Antoine Doinel vibe, and this kid has the worst homelife ever. Particularly relatable to me because reasons.

thx the girls school drama is really good! i will also watch cryboy

OR as letterboxd is calling it, 'crybaby apprentice'

me, watching these on Christmas eve

karl · Post by **karl** » Fri Dec 29, 2023 9:39 pm

Though it's probably his most beloved film, THE BAKER'S WIFE from '38 is one of my least favorites from the great Marcel Pagnol because it strains so hard to elicit sympathy for its tiresome main character. Fernandel's character in LE SCHPOUNTZ is also tiresome, but the film I like much better, since the director doesn't try so hard to convince the audience that the schpountz (idiot) is in fact a great guy. Stagey, too talky, and overly long, as are most of Pagnol's films - but in the end it won me over. Pagnol usually does. It'll make the list.

Holdrüholoheuho · Post by **Holdrüholoheuho** » Sat Dec 30, 2023 2:38 pm

https://kinometer.com/?list=523

The Midnight Party (Joseph Cornell, 1938, 3m)
The Man from Sysmä (Valentin Vaala, 1938, 93m)
Women of Niskavuori (Valentin Vaala, 1938, 84m)

Quadrille (Sacha Guitry, 1938, 95m)
Haiti (Rudy Burckhardt, 1938, 16m)
Children's Party (Joseph Cornell, 1938, 8m)

karl · Post by **karl** » Mon Jan 01, 2024 3:43 am

The Lady Vanishes
Angels with Dirty Faces
The Childhood of Gorky
The Masseurs and a Woman

Le Schpountz
Spawn of the North
The New Moscow
The Puritan (Musso)

Hotel du Nord
Pygmalion
Stolen Death
A Letter to Mama (Green & Trystan)

You and Me
Nightingale (Toyoda)
Composition Class (Yamamoto)
Family Diary (Shimizu)

Mollenard
La Bête Humaine
Strange M. Victor
The Child (Breistein)

Evelyn Library P.I. · Mon Jan 01, 2024 12:33 pm

Mad About Music
Sally Swing
Birthright
Under Western Stars

Nancy Drew… Detective
A Star Is Hatched
The Amazing Dr. Clitterhouse
I Am the Law

The Adventures of Robin Hood
Pals of the Saddle
Heart of Arizona
Red River Range

Making Fashion
Holiday
Bluebeard’s Eighth Wife
Speaking from America

Out Where the Stars Begin
The Big Broadcast of 1938
College Swing
Running Around San Francisco for an Education

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