1943 poll 2.0

thoxans · Post by **thoxans** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 12:59 pm

choose your favorite films from 1943 (according to imdb)

each person can vote for up to 20 films. do not feel compelled to fill the maximum allowable number. ballots can be formatted as follows:
- five tiers of four films each, 4/4/4/4/4; scored 5-4-3-2-1 pts/film/tier
- four tiers of five films each, 5/5/5/5; scored 4.5-3.5-2.5-1.5 pts/film/tier
- two tiers of ten films each, 10/10; scored 4-2 pts/film/tier
- no tiers, unranked; scored 3 pts/film

a tiered ballot can include less than 20 films, but in that case the total number of films must still be able to be factored by the number of tiers, so:
-- a five tier ballot can include only 20, 15, 10, or 5 films
-- a four tier ballot can include only 20, 16, 12, 8, or 4 films
-- a two tier ballot can include only 20, 18, 16, 14, 12, 10, 8, 6, 4, or 2 films
*any number of films up to 20 that is not a multiple of five, four, or two cannot be tiered. apologies to enthusiasts of 19, 17, 13, 11, 9, 7, 3, and 1

users are urged to post their provisional lists as soon as possible, so that others can use them for recommendations. you may revise your lists at any point prior to the deadline. ballots posted by new members who have not participated in other parts of the forum will be considered on a case-by-case basis, and are not guaranteed inclusion on the final list

deadline for 1943 lists will be friday, april 30th, at approximately whatever time i feel like yo

Evelyn Library P.I. · Post by **Evelyn Library P.I.** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 1:43 pm

Whole new set of year polls, and with tiers! Yippee

! Too excited.

Some recs:
The Miracle of Morgan’s Creek
The Gang’s All Here
The Return of the Vampire
Northern Pursuit
Food and Magic
Heavenly Music
The Stranger from Pecos
The Ghost Rider
Lady of Burlesque

Old-time radio recs:
“Jack Dreams He Is A Turkey” (The Jack Benny Program, 11/21)
“Dennis' Mother Visits” (The Jack Benny Program, 12/12)

Angel · Post by **Angel** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:01 pm

Good luck in your new job, thoxans!

Silga · Post by **Silga** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:18 pm

Thanks for running the new set of Year polls, Thoxans!

[provisional list deleted]

niminy-piminy · Post by **niminy-piminy** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 2:21 pm

ballot...
Meshes of the Afternoon (Maya Deren, Alexander Hammid)
Eloisa is Underneath an Almond Tree (Rafael Gil)
Dona Barbara (Fernando de Fuentes, Miguel M. Delgado)
Romance in a Minor Key (Helmut Käutner)
The Life Cycle of the Pin Mould (Mary Field)
Ballet of Lines and Dots (Herbert Seggelke)
Geography of the Body (Willard Maas)
Who Killed Who? (Tex Avery)

Hangmen Also Die! (Fritz Lang)
Film Exercise 1 (John Whitney Sr.)
Color Sequence (Dwinell Grant)
Point Rationing of Foods (Chuck Jones)
Ration Bored (Emery Hawkins, Milt Schaffer)
They Stooge to Conga (Del Lord)
Looking Through Glass (Cecil Musk)
Hemp for Victory (Raymond Evans)

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in the last few yrs, logged (4!)...
WHO KILLED WHO? (Tex Avery)

THE ADVENTURES OF BARON MUNCHAUSEN (Josef von Báky)
THE NEW ADVENTURES OF SCHWEIK (Sergei Yutkevich)
CALLING MR. SMITH (Stefan Themerson, Franciszka Themerson)
BALLET OF LINES AND DOTS (Herbert Seggelke)

COLOR SEQUENCE (Dwinell Grant)

ELOISA IS UNDERNEATH AN ALMOND TREE (Rafael Gil)

a note i made after watching ELOISA IS UNDERNEATH AN ALMOND TREE (Rafael Gil)...

Forget about “Plotto: The Master Book of All Plots”, shut your eyes, and try to mentally extract the dizzying array of 9003 purposes and obstacles of this film’s situations and intrigues.
The cadence of speech is as irregular and explosive as in “His Girl Friday”.
Cherish also a suicide note penmanship, calligraphy of a rendezvous invitation card, or a cat victims’ record layout.

in a more distant past, watched (2!)...
DOÑA BÁRBARA (Fernando de Fuentes, Miguel M. Delgado)

MESHES OF THE AFTERNOON (Maya Deren, Alexander Hammid)

watched for the poll (9)...
IN PASSING (Alexander Alexeieff)
FILM EXERCISE 1 (John Whitney Sr.)

THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A 'JEEP' (Irving Lerner)
DOLLAR DANCE (Norman McLaren)
5/ HEMP FOR VICTORY (Raymond Evans)

RATION BORED (Emery Hawkins, Milt Schaffer)

POINT RATIONING OF FOODS (Chuck Jones)
WAR DOGS (Joseph Barbera, William Hanna)
FOOD AND MAGIC (Jean Negulesco)
10/ YOU, JOHN JONES! (Mervyn LeRoy)
THEY STOOGE TO CONGA (Del Lord)

POWER ON THE LAND: THE STORY OF THE MECHANISATION OF BRITISH FARMING (Ralph Keene)
LOOKING THROUGH GLASS (Cecil Musk)

LESSONS FROM THE AIR (Harold Purcell, James Rogers)
15/ SCHWEIK'S NEW ADVENTURES (Karel Lamač)
ROMANCE IN A MINOR KEY (Helmut Käutner)

CONFUSIONS OF A NUTZY SPY (Norm McCabe)
HISTORY OF THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE (Mary Field)
THE LIFE HISTORY OF THE ONION (Mary Field)
20/ COASTAL VILLAGE (Stanley Irving)
THE LIFE CYCLE OF THE PIN MOULD (Mary Field)

OUR DREAMS (Vittorio Cottafavi)
THE SILENT VILLAGE (Humphrey Jennings)
THE ROYAL MILE: EDINBURGH (Terry Bishop)
25/ LOCAL GOVERNMENT (Bernard Mainwaring)
HEALTH OF A NATION (Lister Laurance)
THE SECOND FREEDOM (Lister Laurance)
HANGMEN ALSO DIE! (Fritz Lang)

HITLER'S MADMAN (Douglas Sirk)
30/ GEOGRAPHY OF THE BODY (Willard Maas)

watchlist...
Heaven Can Wait (Ernst Lubitsch)
Melody of a Great City (Wolfgang Liebeneiner)
The Two Sisters (Erich Waschneck)
Wenn der junge Wein blüht (Fritz Kirchhoff)
DREAM (Mikhail Romm)
ETERNAL LOVE (Jean Delannoy)
Day of Wrath (Carl Theodor Dreyer)
the voice of the heart (Dimitris Ioannopoulos)
Ossessione (Visconti)
THE BATH ON THE THRESHING FLOOR (Volker von Collande)
OLD HEART BECOMES YOUNG AGAIN (Erich Engel)
IMMENSEE: A GERMAN FOLKSONG (Veit Harlan)
Opium Waltz (Béla Balogh)

greennui · Post by **greennui** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 3:55 pm

Voyage Without Hope (Christian-Jaque)
Romance in a Minor Key (Helmut Käutner)
Ossessione (Luchino Visconti)
The Seventh Victim (Mark Robson)
I Walked with a Zombie (Jacques Tourneur)

The Leopard Man (Jacques Tourneur)
The More the Merrier (George Stevens)
The Miracle of Morgan’s Creek (Preston Sturges)
Meshes of the Afternoon (Maya Deren)
Carnival of Sinners (Maurice Tourneur)

The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (Emeric Pressburger/Michael Powell)
Shadow of a Doubt (Alfred Hitchcock)

to watch:

The Ghost Ship
Day of Wrath (rewatch)

sally · Post by **sally** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 3:57 pm

don't suppose any french speaker fancies making subs for l'homme de londres?

Post by **flip** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:13 pm

thanks for running these, thoxans! 1943 is an interesting year, from my viewing there are a few great underseen comedies but it's not a deep year otherwise, that's probably because i need to see more:

Hi Diddle Diddle (Andrew Stone)
His Butler's Sister (Frank Borzage)
The Seventh Victim (Mark Robson)
The Ox-Bow Incident (William Wellman)

The Miracle of Morgan's Creek (Preston Sturges)
Day of Wrath (Carl Dreyer)
Jane Eyre (Robert Stevenson)
The More the Merrier (George Stevens)

The Song of Bernadette (Henry King)
Journey into Fear (Norman Foster)
Meshes of the Afternoon (Maya Deren)
Five Graves to Cairo (Billy Wilder)

Stormy Weather (Andrew Stone)
London Blackout Murders (George Sherman)
Mission to Moscow (Michael Curtiz)
A Stranger in Town (Roy Rowland)

Shadow of a Doubt (Alfred Hitchcock)
Heaven Can Wait (Ernst Lubitsch)
The Nazis Strike (Anatole Litvak/Frank Capra)
The Amazing Mrs Holliday (Jean Renoir/Bruce Manning)

Silga · Post by **Silga** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:18 pm

flip wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:13 pm The Ox-Bow Incident (William Wellman)

The Ox-Bow Incident is currently listed as 1942 on IMDb. Although Wikipedia has it as a 1943 film. It would definitely be on my list if it was from 1943 according to IMDb.

niminy-piminy · Post by **niminy-piminy** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:32 pm

1943 poll rewatch:
COLOR SEQUENCE (Dwinell Grant)
https://letterboxd.com/film/color-sequence/

"(Nonobjectivism) is part of the earth itself... In creating it we do not say something about something else, but rather we produce a rhythm which is part of nature's rhythm and just as deep and fundamental as a heartbeat, a thunderstorm, the sequence of day and night..." Dwinell Grant, 1940

https://youtu.be/7t2cVkengEs

Website · Post by **rischka** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 4:52 pm

7th victim
day of wrath
romance in a minor key
colonel blimp
ossessione
i walked with a zombie
shadow of a doubt
a good lad! <---
carnival of sinners
cabin in the sky
five graves to cairo
capitan fracasse
the bloodstain <---
stormy weather
isle of forgotten sins
dona barbara
in nostri sogni <---
the gang's all here
miracle of morgan's creek
lumiere d'ete

won't have time to watch much so good thing i've got a list prepared! <--- w/recs

sally · Post by **sally** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:11 pm

i'll add my thanks to the chorus at thoxans for continuing the grand tradition

anyone want to see the original iteration? i watched fuck all for that one, will do better now

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/the_aut ... -t755.html

greennui · Post by **greennui** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 5:55 pm

Watchlist:

The Phantom Baron (Serge de Poligny)
White Roses (Hannu Leminen) (Finnish version of Letter from an Unknown Woman)
Melody of a Great City (Wolfgang Liebeneiner)
A Good Lad (Boris Barnet)
Eternal Return (Jean Delannoy)
Changing Trains (Hasse Ekman)
Ordet (Gustaf Molander)
Women in Captivity (Olof Molander)
The Ghost Ship (Mark Robson)
Day of Wrath (Carl Theodor Dreyer) rewatch

thoxans · Post by **thoxans** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:35 pm

as with cycle 1.0, i don't think the accordance to imdb release dates should be hard and fast, especially if we as a community reach a different consensus. every single top hit in a quick google search for the ox-bow incident lists '43 as the year of release, except for imdb; and imdb's own page for the movie isn't even consistent. the release date shows 21 may 1943, even though '42 is in parentheses next to the film's title at the top of the page. personally, i don't like when imdb does this. a group of people in st. louis, mo, who randomly saw a cut of the film in '42 shouldn't override an official release date that every other source cites imo. now, boxd does show '42 as well, but i imagine that's merely imdb resultant. i don't have a problem with anyone including the ox-bow incident on their ballot for this poll, but i'll leave it to everyone's best judgment. and fwiw the ox-bow incident was included in the original '43 poll

Website · Post by **rischka** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:45 pm

may watch that becker, goupi mains rouges. think i've got a copy somewhere from last time. and thx thoxans for carrying on ♥

edit: found some more frenchies

l'eternal retour
lumiere d'ete
douce

Silga · Post by **Silga** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:54 pm

thoxans wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 6:35 pm and fwiw the ox-bow incident was included in the original '43 poll

And I voted for Ox-Bow in that original '43 poll. So I guess I'll vote for it again this time in my final list if I see others joining in. However, would it still be eligible to vote in 1942 poll?

thoxans · Post by **thoxans** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:20 pm

i'd refer to the poll results. if tobi makes the final '43 list, that's enough for me to assume some semblance of community-wide consensus, thus making it ineligible for the '42 poll. not sure if i'll be posting the final lists to boxd, but if i do, then i may consider an addendum in cases such as this, explaining why certain films might or might not be included in given years

Umbugbene · Post by **Umbugbene** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:47 pm

Thanks for running this, Thox! Great year to start it off with. My list includes no fewer than 7 pro-Resistance French allegories. Rischka, let me know if you want to read my analysis of Goupi mains rouges... it's a great Antifa film.

1. I Walked with a Zombie
2. Day of Wrath
3. Shadow of a Doubt
4. Lumière d'été
5. The Hand of the Devil (a.k.a. Carnival of Sinners)
6. Goupi mains rouges

7. Meshes of the Afternoon
8. Voyage Without Hope
9. The Eternal Return
10. Douce
11. Le corbeau
12. The Hard Way

niminy-piminy · Post by **niminy-piminy** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:02 pm

1943 poll viewing No1:
IN PASSING (Alexander Alexeieff) ... Ltbxd 1945 but IMDb 1943
https://letterboxd.com/film/en-passant-1945/

Pinscreen animated wonder accompanying a Canadian-French folk song. A squirrel romps through a fine summer day doing squirrel things.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BIViI1 ... OldCartoon

niminy-piminy · Post by **niminy-piminy** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:17 pm

1943 poll viewing No2:
FILM EXERCISE 1 (John Whitney Sr.) ... Ltbxd 1946 but IMDb 1943
https://embed.letterboxd.com/film/five- ... es-film-1/

James and John created their series of Five Film Exercises (John #1, #5) (James #2, #3, #4) between 1943 and 1944.

https://youtu.be/kuZbgM8yxtY

niminy-piminy · Post by **niminy-piminy** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 8:34 pm

1943 poll viewing No3:
THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A 'JEEP' (Irving Lerner)
https://letterboxd.com/film/the-autobio ... of-a-jeep/

This 1943 propaganda film was produced by the U.S. Office of War Information as part of their series of documentaries released throughout World War II. Told from the perspective of a jeep, the utilitarian military vehicle that exemplified America’s can-do attitude, the film received a particularly enthusiastic response in France, where it had its first screenings soon after D-Day. The Autobiography of a Jeep was directed by documentarian Irving Lerner, a left-leaning filmmaker who would eventually be caught up in the Hollywood blacklist, and written by Newbery Award winner Joseph Krumgold.

https://youtu.be/W5085fnwLyM

Post by **Lencho of the Apes** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:30 pm

Prelims:

Enraptured by:
Day Of Wrath - Dreyer
Life and Death Of Colonel Blimp - Powell/Pressburger
Meshes Of The Afterrnoon - Deren
Shadow Of A Doubt - Hitchcock

Also enjoyed:
Carmen - Luis Cesar Amadori
Distinto Amanecer - Julio Bracho
The Demi-Paradise - Anthony Asquith
Dona Barbara - Fernando de Fuentes
Flor Silvestre - Emilio Fernandez
Girls In Chains - Edgar Ulmer
Hangmen also Die - Lang
I Walked With A Zombie - Tourneur
Jive Junction - Edgar Ulmer
The Miracle Of Morgan's Creek - Streston Purges
Que Hombre Tan Simpatico - Fernando Soler
The Seventh Victim - Tourneur *urgently needs rewatch*

(Seen: 35 Mexico, 18 USA, 9 Argentina, 2 UK, 1 France, 1 Germany,1 Denmark, 1 Italy)

If a consensus of people puts The Bloodstain/La Mancha De Sangre into this poll, I'll vote for it, but the movie is so "1937" in every way that it seems a piss-poor fit... no matter how long it was withheld from exhibition because of the lurid sexual content.

nrh · Post by **nrh** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:34 pm

thinking about the movies i've liked that i've seen after the last poll and i think the clear winner would be mehboob khan's najma -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jtq2_ls-Nr4

mehboob khan's first film as an independent producer, and one of the great early muslim melodrama hits.wonderful film just in terms of creating a whole world out of shadows and curtains and such.

niminy-piminy · Post by **niminy-piminy** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 9:54 pm

1943 poll viewing No4:
DOLLAR DANCE (Norman McLaren)
https://letterboxd.com/film/dollar-dance/

https://youtu.be/1UiiQmmoVCU

niminy-piminy · Post by **niminy-piminy** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:10 pm

1943 poll viewing No5:
HEMP FOR VICTORY (Raymond Evans) ... Ltbxd, IMDb 1943
https://letterboxd.com/film/hemp-for-victory/

U.S. government explaining the uses of hemp, encouraging patriotic farmers to grow as much as possible.

(U.S. hemp fighting Nazi methamphetamines.)
To grow hemp legally you must have a Federal Registration and Tax Stamp.

Vs.

https://youtu.be/1eXy9f4ntj8

sally · Post by **sally** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:32 pm

i don't think i've seen anything else worth mentioning that no one else has, apart from the prettily shot greek film the voice of the heart, and my watchlist is exactly 100 films long rn, so no one suggest anything more please.

don't know about my top film, maybe it'd be a tourneur (jnr) but....not sure anything can beat massimo girotti, rip-shirted & bare-chested....ever, in any year...

although literally any time i'm ever up on the moors and it gets a bit windy, it's not heathcliff i hear, but orson going jane jane

anyway made a grand start to 43 with some delightful ephemera from the british film institute

mr amos brown, pig farmer

(not the only welsh stuff on there from 43)

and i watched the full 3.30 min version of this, which is ostensibly a road safety educational film but it didn't really tell you anything?

https://twitter.com/BFI/status/851749154451845122
it's the embarrassed look as she passes the other dog...

niminy-piminy · Post by **niminy-piminy** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:41 pm

twodeadmagpies wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:32 pm https://twitter.com/BFI/status/851749154451845122

omg, it is so cool!
it makes such a great double bill with THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF A 'JEEP'.

TRY OUR BONNY BONES AND BITEABLE BISCUITS.

St. Gloede · Post by **St. Gloede** » Thu Apr 01, 2021 10:59 pm

I'm start with a 5/5/5/5 and maybe develop it later. Wouldn't mind trading up the lower spots so will be looking out for recommendations.

Vredens dag / Day of Wrath (1943, Carl Theodor Dreyer
The Life and Death of Colonel Blimp (1943, Michael Powell & Emeric Pressburger)
L'éternel retour (1943, Jean Delannoy)
Ossessione (1943, Luchino Visconti)
Les anges du péché / Angels of the Streets (1943, Robert Bresson)

Le Corbeau (1943, Henri-Georges Clouzot)
Lumière d'été (1943, Jean Grémillon)
Shadow of a Doubt (1943, Alfred Hitchcock)
Douce (1943, Claude Autant-Lara)
The Miracle of Morgan's Creek (1943, Preston Sturges)

Heaven Can Wait (1943, Ernst Lubitsch)
Romanze in Moll / Romance in a Minor Key (1943, Helmut Käutner)
Hangmen Also Die! (1943, Fritz Lang)
Five Graves to Cairo (1943, Billy Wilder)
Wilder urlaub / The Deserter (1943, Franz Schnyder)

The Man in Grey (1943, Leslie Arliss)
This Land Is Mine (1943, Jean Renoir)
Jane Eyre (1943, Robert Stevenson)
The More the Merrier (1943, George Stevens)
Air Force (1943, Howard Hawks)

niminy-piminy · Post by **niminy-piminy** » Fri Apr 02, 2021 10:36 am

1943 poll viewing No6-7:

RATION BORED (Emery Hawkins, Milt Schaffer)
https://letterboxd.com/film/ration-bored/

"Is this trip really necessary?" asks a road sign. "Sure, it's necessary," replies Woody Woodpecker. "I'm a necessary evil." Patriotic gestures are evidently not Woody's strong suit. When he goes to the gas station for a refill, he doesn't even know what a ration book is.

https://youtu.be/DPYko9K3LmI

POINT RATIONING OF FOODS (Chuck Jones)
https://letterboxd.com/film/point-rationing-of-foods/

https://youtu.be/HlylTg4_Q18

niminy-piminy · Post by **niminy-piminy** » Fri Apr 02, 2021 11:04 am

1943 poll viewing No8:
WAR DOGS (Joseph Barbera, William Hanna)
https://letterboxd.com/film/war-dogs/

https://youtu.be/ZvtFcXnQwng

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