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In the past, I watched a few films labeled as "new french extremity" and, in some indefinite future, I expect to continue with this pursuit... https://www.kinometer.com/?tag=4884
Thus (before I will pick up where I left off), if anyone has anything to say/post on this subject I will gladly hear/read.
So far, as the best SCFZ post to the theme, I consider this...

viewtopic.php?p=25800#p25800
whenever i'm dating a girl and she starts professing her adoration for a noe movie, i know it's over. why? there are just some things you can automatically know about a woman when she tells you her favourite movie is "enter the void":
- being a progressive feminist is an important part of her identity, but she displays no interest in indigenous sovereignty
- she is a struggling artist, doing the work of MARXIST SAINTS, and you are a fucking suit at a law firm. incidentally, she receives an allowance from her parents, who are both financial advisors
- she believes deeply in astrology, and the only reason why you don't is because you're beholden to the western chauvinist preoccupation with "reason"
- she very rarely eats meat, for ethical reasons. but everyone has cheat days. very occasionally she'll have some chicken or something. when she was in paris she had foie gras and it was delicious
- she consistently mentions the race of non-white persons, especially men, when it has no bearing on the story, especially when they're (often rightly) being portrayed negatively. "and there were like 10 asian guys there"... "this big group of east indian guys were all staring at me"... if you criticize this, you are being dismissive of her experience
- "look, a friend of mine from high school is a cop now, and he genuinely just wants to help people"

Letterboxd "French Extremity" lists... https://letterboxd.com/search/lists/french+extremity/
Mubi "French Extremity" lists... https://mubi.com/search/lists?query=french+extremity

Are there any other NEW FRENCH EXTREMITY or NEW INTERNATIONAL EXTREMITY movies that are missing in the list below?
(or any OLD EXTREMITY predecessors?)
(or any NEW EXTREMITY adversaries?)

1/ OLD (NOT ONLY FRENCH) EXTREMITY (i.e. SHOCK-N-PROVOCATION till 1990)

Dario Argento: Doing Violence on Film (L. Andrew Cooper, 2012)

— — — — — 1890
↓ 1895
THE EXECUTION OF MARY, QUEEN OF SCOTS (Clark, A.) W0
— — — — — 1900
↓ 1901
EXECUTION OF CZOLGOSZ WITH PANORAMA OF AUBURN PRISON (Porter, E. S.) W0
↓ 1903
ELECTROCUTING AN ELEPHANT (Porter, E. S.) W0
— — — — — 1910
— — — — — 1920
↓ 1926
FLESH AND THE DEVIL (Brown, C.)
— — — — — 1940
↓ 1949
BLOOD OF THE BEASTS • LE SANG DES BÊTES (Franju, G.)
— — — — — 1950
↓ 1950
A SONG OF LOVE • UN CHANT D'AMOUR (Genet, J.)
THREE SINNERS • MEURTRES (Pottier, R.)
↓ 1955
THE MAD MASTERS • LES MAÎTRES FOUS (Rouch, J.)
— — — — — 1960
↓ 1960
CRUEL STORY OF YOUTH • SEISHUN ZANKOKU MONOGATARI (Ôshima, N.)
↓ 1961
LAST YEAR AT MARIENBAD • L'ANNÉE DERNIÈRE À MARIENBAD (Resnais, A.) W0
↓ 1963
BLACK SABBATH • I TRE VOLTI DELLA PAURA (Bava, M.)
THE IMMORTAL ONE • L'IMMORTELLE (Robbe-Grillet, A.)
↓ 1967
ABSURD ENCOUNTER WITH FEAR (Lynch, D.) W0
TRANS-EUROP-EXPRESS (Robbe-Grillet, A.)
↓ 1968
LE RÉVÉLATEUR (Garrel, P.)
WEEKEND (Godard, J.-L.) W0
↓ 1969
ENOUGH! (Ulive, U.) W7
INVOCATION OF MY DEMON BROTHER (Anger, K.) W5
VENUS IN FURS • PAROXISMUS (Franco, J.)
THE CONSPIRACY OF TORTURE • BEATRICE CENCI (Fulci, L.)
PIGSTY • PORCILE (Pasolini, P. P.) W0
GO, GO SECOND TIME VIRGIN • YUKE YUKE NIDOME NO SHOJO (Wakamatsu, K.)
EROS PLUS MASSACRE • EROSU PURASU GYAKUSATSU (Yoshida, Y.) W0
— — — — — 1970
↓ 1970
EDEN AND AFTER • L'ÉDEN ET APRÈS (Robbe-Grillet, A.)
MULTIPLE MANIACS (Waters, J.) W0
↓ 1971
THE ACT OF SEEING WITH ONE'S OWN EYES (Brakhage, S.)
IN CONTINUO (Gilić, V.) W3
EMPEROR TOMATO KETCHUP • TOMATO KECCHAPPU KÔTEI (Terayama, S.) W0
↓ 1972
CRIES AND WHISPERS • VISKNINGAR OCH ROP (Bergman, I.)
LAST TANGO IN PARIS • ULTIMO TANGO A PARIGI (Bertolucci, B.)
THE DISCREET CHARM OF THE BOURGEOISIE • LE CHARME DISCRET DE LA BOURGEOISIE (Buñuel, L.) W0
APPARATUS SUM (Frampton, H.) W1
PINK FLAMINGOS (Waters, J.) W0
↓ 1973
I WILL WALK LIKE A CRAZY HORSE • J'IRAI COMME UN CHEVAL FOU (Arrabal, F.)
IMMORAL TALES • CONTES IMMORAUX (Borowczyk, W.) W0
THE SOCIETY OF THE SPECTACLE • LA SOCIÉTÉ DU SPECTACLE (Debord, G.)
THE MOTHER AND THE WHORE • LA MAMAN ET LA PUTAIN (Eustache, J.)
↓ 1974
GOING PLACES • LES VALSEUSES (Blier, B.)
AUTUMNAL EQUINOX (Frampton, H.)
SWEET MOVIE (Makavejev, D.)
THE MOUTH AGAPE • LA GUEULE OUVERTE (Pialat, M.)
SUCCESSIVE SLIDINGS OF PLEASURE • GLISSEMENTS PROGRESSIFS DU PLAISIR (Robbe-Grillet, A.)
↓ 1975
JEANNE DIELMAN, 23 QUAI DU COMMERCE, 1080 BRUXELLES (Akerman, C.) W0
FORBIDDEN LOVE GAME • JUEGO DE AMOR PROHIBIDO (de la Iglesia, E.)
SALÒ, OR THE 120 DAYS OF SODOM • SALÒ O LE 120 GIORNATE DI SODOMA (Pasolini, P. P.) W0
WEDDING TROUGH • VASE DE NOCES (Zeno, T.) W0
↓ 1976
I, YOU, HE, SHE • JE, TU, IL, ELLE (Akerman, C.)
BESTIALITY • BESTIALITÀ (Eastman, G., Skerl, P.)
WHO CAN KILL A CHILD? • ¿QUIÉN PUEDE MATAR A UN NIÑO? (Ibáñez Serrador, N.)
IN THE REALM OF THE SENSES • AI NO KORÎDA (Ôshima, N.) W0
↓ 1977
EMANUELLE AND THE LAST CANNIBALS • EMANUELLE E GLI ULTIMI CANNIBALI (D'Amato, J.)
THE DEVIL, PROBABLY • LE DIABLE PROBABLEMENT (Bresson, R.)
HIDDEN PLEASURES • LOS PLACERES OCULTOS (de la Iglesia, E.)
DOG'S DIALOGUE • COLLOQUE DE CHIENS (Ruiz, R.)
↓ 1978
GET OUT YOUR HANDKERCHIEFS • PRÉPAREZ VOS MOUCHOIRS (Blier, B.) W0
— — — — — 1980
↓ 1980
DANGEROUS ENCOUNTERS OF THE FIRST KIND (Tsui Hark) W2
↓ 1982
IDENTIFICATION OF A WOMAN • IDENTIFICAZIONE DI UNA DONNA (Antonioni, M.)
↓ 1983
THE BEAUTIFUL PRISONER • LA BELLE CAPTIVE (Robbe-Grillet, A.)
↓ 1985
THIS UNNAMEABLE LITTLE BROOM: EPIC OF GILGAMES (Quay, S., Quay, T.)
MISHIMA: A LIFE IN FOUR CHAPTERS (Schrader, P.)
LIMPET LOVE • L'AMOUR BRAQUE (Żuławski, A.)
↓ 1986
MÉNAGE • TENUE DE SOIRÉE (Blier, B.)
IN THE SHADOW OF THE BLUE RASCAL • À L'OMBRE DE LA CANAILLE BLEUE (Clémenti, P.) W6
MAX MY LOVE • MAX MON AMOUR (Ôshima, N.) W0
IN A GLASS CAGE• TRAS EL CRISTAL (Villaronga, A.)
↓ 1987
LOVE RITES • CÉRÉMONIE D'AMOUR (Borowczyk, W.)
↓ 1988
NEKROMANTIK (Buttgereit, J.) W0
THE CANNIBALS • OS CANIBAIS (de Oliveira, M.) W0
KUNG-FU MASTER! • LE PETIT AMOUR (Varda, A.) W0
↓ 1989
HOLY BLOOD • SANTA SANGRE (Jodorowsky, A.) W0
— — — — — 1990

2/ NEW FRENCH EXTREMITY

Alexandre Aja, Jean-Baptiste Andrea, Olivier Assayas, Géla Babluani, Bertrand Bonello, Catherine Breillat, Jean-Claude Brisseau, Alexandre Bustillo, Fabrice Canepa, Léos Carax, Kim Chapiron, Patrice Chéreau, Yannick Dahan Lionel Delplanque, Claire Denis, Jean-Pierre Denis, Virginie Despentes, Vincent Dieutre, Julia Ducournau, Bruno Dumont, Coralie Fargeat, Xavier Gens, Philippe Grandrieux, Christophe Honoré, Mathieu Kassovitz, Pascal Laugier, C.S. Leigh, Julien Magnat, Julien Maury, Claude Miller, Dominik Moll, David Moreau, David Morley, Gaspar Noé, Jacques Nolot, François Ozon, Xavier Palud, Gilles Paquet-Brenner, Caroline du Potet, Éric du Potet, Benjamin Rocher, Coralie Trinh Thi, Laurent Tuel, Eric Valette, Marina de Van, Franck Vestiel

The New Extremism: Representation of Violence in the New French Extremism (Metin Cokak, 2011)
https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... _Extremism

— — — — — 1990
↓ 1991
CARNE (Noé, G.)
↓ 1997
THE LIFE OF JESUS • LA VIE DE JÉSUS (Dumont, B.)
ASSASSIN(S) (Kassovitz, M.)
↓ 1998
SOMBRE (Grandrieux, P.)
CLASS TRIP • LA CLASSE DE NEIGE (Miller, C.)
I STAND ALONE • SEUL CONTRE TOUS (Noé, G.)
SITCOM (Ozon, F.)
↓ 1999
ROMANCE (Breillat, C.) W0
POLA X (Carax, L.)
HUMANITÉ • L'HUMANITÉ (Dumont, B.)
CRIMINAL LOVERS • LES AMANTS CRIMINELS (Ozon, F.)
— — — — — 2000
↓ 2000
DEEP IN THE WOODS • PROMENONS-NOUS DANS LES BOIS (Delplanque, L.)
MURDEROUS MAIDS • LES BLESSURES ASSASSINES (Denis, J.-P.)
RAPE ME • BAISE-MOI (Despentes, V., Trinh Thi, C.)
THE CRIMSON RIVERS • LES RIVIÈRES POURPRES (Kassovitz, M.)
WITH A FRIEND LIKE HARRY... • HARRY, UN AMI QUI VOUS VEUT DU BIEN (Moll, D.)
WATER DROPS ON BURNING ROCKS • GOUTTES D'EAU SUR PIERRES BRÛLANTES (Ozon, F.)
↓ 2001
THE PORNOGRAPHER • LE PORNOGRAPHE (Bonello, B.)
FAT GIRL • À MA SOEUR! (Breillat, C.) W0
INTIMACY (Chéreau, P.) W0
TROUBLE EVERY DAY (Denis, C.)
CHILDREN'S PLAY • UN JEU D'ENFANTS (Tuel, L.)
↓ 2002
DEMONLOVER (Assayas, O.)
SECRET THINGS • CHOSES SECRÈTES (Brisseau, J.-C.)
A NEW LIFE • LA VIE NOUVELLE (Grandrieux, P.)
IRREVERSIBLE • IRRÉVERSIBLE (Noé, G.)
PORN THEATER • LA CHATTE À DEUX TÊTES (Nolot, J.)
MALÉFIQUE (Valette, E.)
IN MY SKIN • DANS MA PEAU (de Van, M.) W0
↓ 2003
HIGH TENSION • HAUTE TENSION (Aja, A.)
DEAD END (Andrea, J.-P., Canepa, F.)
TWENTYNINE PALMS (Dumont, B.)
SWIMMING POOL (Ozon, F.) W0
↓ 2004
ANATOMY OF HELL • ANATOMIE DE L'ENFER (Breillat, C.) W0
CRIMSON RIVERS 2: ANGELS OF THE APOCALYPSE • LES RIVIÈRES POURPRES 2: LES ANGES DE L'APOCALYPSE (Dahan, O.)
MY MOTHER • MA MÈRE (Honoré, C.)
HOUSE OF VOICES • SAINT ANGE (Laugier, P.)
PROCESS (Leigh, C.S.)
↓ 2005
13 TZAMETI (Babluani, G.)
↓ 2006
SATAN • SHEITAN (Chapiron, K.)
FLANDERS • FLANDRES (Dumont, B.)
THEM • ILS (Moreau, D., Palud, X.)
↓ 2007
INSIDE • À L'INTÉRIEUR (Bustillo, A., Maury, J.)
FRONTIER(S) • FRONTIÈRE(S) (Gens, X.)
EDEN LOG (Vestiel, F.)
↓ 2008
MARTYRS (Laugier, P.) W0
↓ 2009
BLUEBEARD • BARBE BLEUE (Breillat, C.)
THE HORDE • LA HORDE (Dahan, Y., Rocher, B.)
UNDYING • MUTANTS (Morley, D.)
ENTER THE VOID (Noé, G.) W0
WALLED IN (Paquet-Brenner, G.)
— — — — — 2010
↓ 2010
IN THEIR SLEEP • DANS TON SOMMEIL (du Potet, C., du Potet, É.)
↓ 2011
LIVID • LIVIDE (Bustillo, A., Maury, J.)
OUTSIDE SATAN • HORS SATAN (Dumont, B.)
FACES IN THE CROWD (Magnat, J.)
↓ 2012
THE TALL MAN (Laugier, P.)
↓ 2015
LOVE (Noé, G.)
↓ 2016
NOCTURAMA (Bonello, B.)
RAW (Ducournau, J.)
↓ 2017
REVENGE (Fargeat, C.)
↓ 2018
GHOSTLAND (Laugier, P.)
CLIMAX (Noé, G.)
— — — — — 2020

3/ NEW INTERNATIONAL (NEW-FRENCH-EXTREMITY-LIKE) EXTREMITY

still have to be added ... Takashi Miike, Sion Sono, Almodovar, Cronenberg, Tsukamoto, Sato, Spasojevic, Belvaux

— — — — — 1990
↓ 1993
THE CEMENT GARDEN (Birkin, A.) W0
↓ 1996
CREMASTER 1 (Barney, M.)
BREAKING THE WAVES (von Trier, L.) W0
↓ 1997
FUNNY GAMES (Haneke, M.) W0
THE RIVER • HE LIU (Ming-Liang, T.)
↓ 1998
THE IDIOTS • IDIOTERNE (von Trier, L.) W0
— — — — — 2000
↓ 2002
SYMPATHY FOR MR. VENGEANCE • BOKSUNEUN NAUI GEOT (Chan-Wook, P.)
LINGCHI - ECHOES OF A HISTORICAL PHOTOGRAPH (Chen Chieh-Jen) W0
LILJA 4-EVER (Moodysson, L.)
↓ 2003
TIME OF THE WOLF • LE TEMPS DU LOUP (Haneke, M.)
↓ 2004
HEAD-ON • GEGEN DIE WAND (Akin, F.)
A HOLE IN MY HEART • ETT HÅL I MITT HJÄRTA (Moodysson, L.)
ORDEAL • CALVAIRE (du Welz, F.)
↓ 2005
HIDDEN • CACHÉ (Haneke, M.)
↓ 2006
TIME • SHI GAN (Ki-Duk, K.)
↓ 2007
COUNTERPARTS • GEGENÜBER (Bonny, J.)
FUNNY GAMES U.S. (Haneke, M.) W0
↓ 2008
FILTH • SAUNA (Annila, A.-J.)
VINYAN: LOST SOULS (du Welz, F.)
↓ 2009
DOMAIN • DOMAINE (Chiha, P.)
MARKET CHALET • JARMAREČNÍ BOUDA (Dražan, P.) W0
DOGTOOTH • KYNODONTAS (Lanthimos, Y.) W0
ANTICHRIST (von Trier, L.) W0
— — — — — 2010
↓ 2010
WE ARE WHAT WE ARE • SOMOS LO QUE HAY (Grau, J. M.)
7 DAYS • LES 7 JOURS DU TALION (Grou, D.)
THE PACK • LA MEUTE (Richard, F.)
↓ 2011
THE SNOWTOWN MURDERS (Kurzel, J.)
↓ 2012
PARADISE: FAITH • PARADIES: GLAUBE (Seidl, U.) W0
↓ 2013
NYMPHOMANIAC (von Trier, L.)
↓ 2014
ALLELUIA (du Welz, F.)
↓ 2015
EAT MY SHIT (Casanova, E.) W0
↓ 2016
THE UNTAMED (Escalante, A.)
WE ARE THE FLESH • TENEMOS LA CARNE (Rocha Minter, E.) W4
↓ 2018
MY BROTHER'S NAME IS ROBERT AND HE IS AN IDIOT • MEIN BRUDER HEISST ROBERT UND IST EIN IDIOT (Gröning, P.) W0
THE HOUSE THAT JACK BUILT (von Trier, L.)
— — — — — 2020

4/ ANTI (CONTRE) NEW FRENCH EXTREMITY

— — — — — 2010
↓ 2016
SLEEPING BEAUTY • BELLE DORMANT (Arrieta, A.)
— — — — — 2020

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In the Shadow of the Blue Rascal?

Un chant d'amour?

Discard if I don't have a clue what this is about.

I gave New French Extremity another chance a while back and I made this gif to describe my reaction to Durmont's Humanité...

Of course I look up the term after posting, and the term refers to much newer stuff than the ones I mentioned. I think I just invented a new genre: Old French Extremity.

new french extremity always struck me as a weird thing - a kind of non-existent movement named after an atypically sloppy sentence from the usually very careful james quandt, which ended up collapsing the work of filmmakers with decade plus behind them (breillat, denis) with young art house adjacent upstarts (noe, bonello), vacationing austrians (haneke), marginal weirdos (grandieux), slick genre kids (aja, whatever the idiots who made martyrs and inside are named), pedestrian mainstream filmmakers (kassovitz)...

like the contemplative cinema term that some of the worst mubi commenters used to use all the time it has the effect of flattening rather than clarifying anything...thank god both phrases seem to have more or less disappeared in recent years.

There are no fast and hard rules, I am fine to put on my FRENCH EXTREMITY watchlist anything and everything (any FRENCH EXTREMITY garbage).
I like the new term OLD FRENCH EXTREMITY and I am interested to hear also any suggestions of any possible predecessors to NEW FRENCH EXTREMITY.
I am (mostly) far from being a fan of this cinema but (now and then) I want to watch some (to practice self-denial, self-torture).

i've seen five of those films and even liked one of them (barbe bleu)

rischka wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 8:51 pm (barbe bleu)

that's a great movie (one of my favorite by breillat!) but it's about as extremist as that lovely old fairy tale series with shelley duvall!

yeah it's very much a fairy tale atmosphere, certainly not a bloodbath like some of those films

thirded! i love barbe bleu!

breillat's followup sleeping beauty was a little disappointing, but i love arrieta's belle dormant, the most anti new french extremity film imaginable, and i think a quietly great movie...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtiFZUbdgFE

BLUEBEARD is the only one by Catherine B. from this list I didn't watch yet.
ROMANCE was okay.
Philosophical tirades of Rocco Siffredi in ANATOMY OF HELL were EXTREME!

jiri kino ovalis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:41 pm Philosophical tirades of Rocco Siffredi in ANATOMY OF HELL were EXTREME!

if by extreme you mean TERF-y gender essentialist bullshit

the new category ANTI NEW EXTREMITY included.
EXTREMITY is extremely multifaceted!

1/ OLD (FRENCH) EXTREMITY
2/ NEW FRENCH EXTREMITY
3/ ANTI NEW FRENCH EXTREMITY

I don't see Breillat's Fat Girl in the OP, surely that one's bundled in with this 'movement' as well?

As for old French extremity, maybe Blier (Going Places). Robbe-Grillet? Zulawski?

i just found a mubi list... https://mubi.com/lists/new-french-extremity-influences
and it says the following...

Influential "extremity" filmmakers:
Jean-Luc Godard, Pier Paolo Pasolini, Bertrand Blier, Luis Bunuel, Guy Debord, Fernando Arrabal, Yoshishige ‘Kiju’ Yoshida, Georges Franju, Michelangelo Antonioni, Jean Eustache, Alain Resnais, Stan Brakhage, Philippe Garrel, Kenneth Anger, Dario Argento, Maya Dern, Chantal Akerman, Alejandro Jodorowsky, Alain Robbe-Grillet, Mario Bava, Shuji Terayama, The Quay Brothers, Nagisa Oshima, Robert Bresson, Jean Rouch, Maurice Pialat, Koji Wakamatsu, Lucio Fulci, Jesus Franco, + Raul Ruiz's Dog's Dialogue, Paul Schrader’s Mishima: A Life in Four Chapters and Tsai-Ming Liang’s The River, Bertolucci’s Last Tango in Paris ,de Oliveira’s The Cannibals and Bergman’s Cries and Whispers

Filmmakers affiliated with NEW FRENCH EXTREMITY:
Claire Denis, Bertrand Bonello, Philippe Grandrieux, Olivier Assayas, Vincent Dieutre, Jacques Nolot, Christophe Honoré, Patrice Chereau, Bruno Dumont, Gaspar Noé, Virginie Despentes, Marina de Van, Pascal Laugier, Leos Carax, Catherine Breillat, Jean-Claude Brisseau, C.S. Leigh

International filmmakers close to NEW FRENCH EXTREMITY:
Michael Haneke, Lukas Moodysson, Lars Von Trier, Kim Ki-Duk, Matthew Barney, Fatih Akin, Patrick Chiha, Park Chan-Wook, Jan Bonny, Yorgos Lanthimos

so, gonna adjust the scheme to...
1/ OLD (FRENCH, ETC.) EXTREMITY
2/ NEW FRENCH EXTREMITY
2/ NEW FRENCH-AFFILIATED EXTREMITY
3/ ANTI NEW FRENCH EXTREMITY
and list most/all (not sure yet) of those flicks from mubi list.

nrh wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:49 pm

jiri kino ovalis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 9:41 pm Philosophical tirades of Rocco Siffredi in ANATOMY OF HELL were EXTREME!

if by extreme you mean TERF-y gender essentialist bullshit

I saw it so long ago, but I remember the idea being that gay men are the ultimate misogynists because they don't like to have sex with women? I don't remember if that was taken too seriously within the film or not.I do remember that overall it felt like a parody of Duras made by someone who never actually read any Duras.

I don't remember anymore what was his point but I remember it was very weird to hear him saying all of that (whatever it was).
parody at its extremest!

jiri kino ovalis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:34 pm I don't remember anymore what was his point but I remember it was very weird to hear him saying all of that (whatever it was).
parody at its extremest!

it's not parody sir - breillat meant it very seriously, based on traumatic experiences she has been very open about. i think she ends up in a very harmful place with the conclusions she draws and dramatizes in anatomy of hell but it's wrong not to take her seriously...

i had an issue with the cast.
i was not able to get over it is all pronounced by Rocco Siffredi.

I had the same issue with Gérard Depardieu in Marguerite Duras' THE LORRY.
(theoretically) I can get that I should not project on those roles all the external connotations Gérard Depardieu or Rocco Siffredi can trigger, but (practically) I was not able to do so.

jiri kino ovalis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 2:55 pm In the past, I watched a few films labeled as "new french extremity"
Thus (before I will pick up where I left off), if anyone has anything to say/post on this subject I will gladly hear/read.

My liking and distinction is more aligned to..

A wave of new contemporary French horror films that fall into the wider category of 'Extreme' cinema


While all of these filmmakers can be included. Not all of them continue to produce material in the genre or to the same degree.

Claire Denis, Bertrand Bonello, Philippe Grandrieux, Olivier Assayas, Vincent Dieutre, Jacques Nolot, Christophe Honoré
Patrice Chereau, Bruno Dumont, Gaspar Noé , Pascal Laugier

While I've seen all of these listed below. It's the ones marked with a red 'X' that I'd identify as the new horror directors
↓ 2000
RAPE ME • BAISE-MOI (Despentes, V., Trinh Thi, C.) <-- extreme cinema but I wouldn't qualify it as a horror film.
TROUBLE EVERY DAY (Denis, C.)
↓ 2002
IRREVERSIBLE • IRRÉVERSIBLE (Noé, G.)
IN MY SKIN • DANS MA PEAU (de Van, M.)
↓ 2003
HIGH TENSION • HAUTE TENSION (Aja, A.)X
DEAD END (Andrea, J.-P., Canepa, F.)X
↓ 2004
MY MOTHER • MA MÈRE (Honoré, C.)
ORDEAL • CALVAIRE (du Welz, F.)X
↓ 2006
SATAN • SHEITAN (Chapiron, K.)
THEM • ILS (Moreau, D., Palud, X.)X
↓ 2007
INSIDE • À L'INTÉRIEUR (Bustillo, A., Maury, J.)X
FRONTIER(S) • FRONTIÈRE(S) (Gens, X.)X
↓ 2008
MARTYRS (Laugier, P.)X
VINYAN: LOST SOULS (du Welz, F.)

↓ 2011
LIVID • LIVIDE (Bustillo, A., Maury, J.)
↓ 2016
NOCTURAMA (Bonello, B.) <--- extreme cinema but I wouldn't qualify it as a horror film.

International Filmmakers Affiliated with the NEW [c]FRENCH[/c] EXTREMITY:
Michael Haneke, Lukas Moodysson, Lars Von Trier, Kim Ki-Duk, Matthew Barney, Fatih Akin, Patrick Chiha, Park Chan-Wook, Jan Bonny, Yorgos Lanthimos

Using the term 'extreme' cinema. These would be some other directors I'd associate with the genre:
Takashi Miike, Sion Sono, Waters, Jodorowsky, Almodovar, De La Iglesia, Cronenberg, Lynch, Tsukamoto, Villaronga, Makavejev, Blier, Sato, Spasojevic, Antti-Jussi, Kurzel, Belvaux, Zulawski, etc (There's a bunch more. I just can't think of them all right now)

I'd also suggest avoiding the term 'gore-porn' as it was first associated with a review of an Eli Roth (who I detest) film.

I tend to see a distinction between using graphic imagery in a more interesting manner than merely looking at some really awful no budget garbage. Whether it's content with sex and/or violence that's being highlighted. It is evidently not 'all' the same as many self-serving as early exploitation films were. For example, 'Human Caterpillar' (2009) is defintely an extreme film. However, there's very little content to make such a thing any more significant outside of the mere perverse concept alone.

I started to breakdown some sub-genres under the category of extreme but I'm not certain I want to elaborate on them.

At times, digging into such an area is like diving into a dollar bin of records. The majority are just duds but once in a while you find some worthy treasures.

jiri kino ovalis wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:59 pm (theoretically) I can get that I should not project on those roles all the external connotations Rocco Siffredi can trigger, but (practically) I was not able to do so.

It's a very bizarre action to use a porn star for a speaking part when what he's known for is being hung like a horse. Needless to say, neither of the films he did with Breillat amounted to much.

greennui wrote: ↑Fri Feb 05, 2021 6:18 pm I gave New French Extremity another chance a while back and I made this gif to describe my reaction to Durmont's Humanité...

I do love this reaction. Mine was also of a similar impression to Durmont's 'Humanite'. I'm also quite puzzled by his new series of musicals.

Thx for all the input!
I will try incorporate all into the watchlist.

Re: (real-life trivia vs. role in a film) Rocco Siffredi issue.
In the past, I was marveling in another thread about Gill Sans lettering.
Then, I was asked if I am aware of Eric Gill's real-life (nasty) background.
I dismissed it with hints to Proust's "Contre Sainte-Beuve" or Barthes' "Death of the Author".
And now I am doing exactly the opposite, admitting I can't get over the real-life connotations associated with Gerard Depardieu (his later friendly terms with freaks like Putin or Lukashenko) or Rocco Siffredi (his non-Breillat filmography).
I know Rocco Siffredi plays a role (it is not about him as a real person), but when he utters (with a serious expression on his face) anything about gender relations I can't help to (stupidly) giggle and don't listen to what he says (because my prevailing impression is that of parody).
In the same way, when I see Gerard Depardieu next to Marguerite Duras (in THE LORRY) with a serious expression on his face suggesting their deep mutual (intellectual) understanding, I can't help to (stupidly) giggle (again perceiving it mainly as a laughing matter — considering that real-life Depardieu is a guy who is capable of deep mutual understanding with freaky autocrats).
On the other hand, Catherine Breillat surely picked Rocco Siffredi for that role on purpose — being fully aware real-life trivia connotations related to him will be strongly perceived by viewers.
Maybe, I should rewatch ANATOMY OF HELL and (instead of giggling) try to listen to what is being said (as if no name actor would be playing the part — or to try to figure out what it means when Rocco Siffredi, in particular, is saying all that is being said — by "him" to "her").

consolation jiri, your inability to watch rocco siffredi in anatomy of hell may actually be your ability to watch rocco siffredi in anatomy of hell. i watched anatomy of hell without any extra-film connotations (no context or knowledge for siffredi as i have zero interest in his kind of willy-wanging porn) and so imagine that half of the film was lost on me also. maybe no one can actually watch that film

sometimes my mean & hyperactive mind heavily recontextualizes the footage I watch.
https://youtu.be/Anr2d_Tuakg
https://youtu.be/x3Y0RIwLUyA

SHOCK!
I see Hollis Frampton is also one of the predecessors of the "new extremity".

W1
APPARATUS SUM (Frampton, H., 1972)
https://youtu.be/xfbl2mFk-TU

1934 poll No4:
HANDS (Ralph Steiner, Willard Van Dyke)

oh, now, i see, hands are so practical! so extremely functional!
they can even sign a check, or hand over the cash...

i expected to see a highly poetic (near-to-abstract) short eulogizing the beauty of hands and thus (due to my false expectations) to watch this instead was utterly shocking!!!

https://youtu.be/JogRPO9-qZM

The best/most shocking! bit is where the hands of the guy in the sailor outfit receives a hotel key from the hands of a clerk, cut to the hands of a bellboy receiving a tip from the now hotel guest, then a sharp cut to hands slamming a gas pump nozzle into a fuel tank slot. Nice and subtle association that.