SCFZ

some personal favorites I'd love to poll:

Mamoru Oshii (seen: 9)
Ko Nakahira (seen: 15)
Walerian Borowczyk (seen: 6)
Susumu Hani (seen: 4)
Joe D’Amato (seen: 18)
Helmut Käutner (seen: 12)
Charles Chaplin (seen: 26)
Jacques Doillon (seen: 10)
Dominik Graf (seen: 21)
Rudolf Jugert (seen: 5)
George Moorse (seen: 5)
James Gray (seen: 5)
Sogo Ishii (seen: 10)
Ken Russell (seen: 6)
Koji Wakamatsu (seen: 5)
Peter Hyams (seen: 10)
Marran Gosov (seen: 26)
Ernst Hofbauer (seen: 12)
Bill Plympton (seen: 12)
King Hu (seen: 7)
Jean Rollin (seen: 5)
Erich Waschneck (seen: 7)
Veit Harlan (seen: 10)
Robert Adolf Stemmle (seen: 10)
John Badham (seen: 6)
Shohei Imamura (seen: 7)
Eckhart Schmidt (seen: 11)
Michael Mann (seen: 8)
William A. Wellman (seen: 8)
Rudolf Thome (seen: 15)
Tomu Uchida (seen: 2)
William Castle (seen: 7)
Duccio Tessari (seen: 6)
Sabu (seen: 8)
Catherine Breillat (seen: 5)
Ringo Lam (seen: 6)
Lucio Fulci (seen: 9)
Jean Eustache (seen: 8)
Takashi Miike (seen: 14)
James Foley (seen: 6)
Stanley Kubrick (seen: 13)
Kar-wai Wong (seen: 9)
Masahiro Makino (seen: 3)
Takeshi Kitano (seen: 10)
Theodoros Angelopoulos (seen: 10)
Kiyoshi Kurosawa (seen: 3)
Robert Siodmak (seen: 16)
Buddhadev Dasgupta (seen: 3)
Keisuke Kinoshita (seen: 3)
Karpo Godina (seen: 14)
Roger Fritz (seen: 4)
Noboru Tanaka (seen: 3)
Hiroshi Teshigahara (seen: 5)
Egon Günther (seen: 8)
Jerzy Skolimowski (seen: 11)
Andrei Tarkovsky (seen: 6)
Bo Widerberg (seen: 15)
Bill Melendez (seen: 16)
Miklos Jancso (seen: 11)
Rolf Thiele (seen: 6)
Jess Franco (seen: 13)
Raoul Walsh (seen: 10)
Kaneto Shindo (seen: 6)
Robert Zemeckis (seen: 11)
Wei Lo (seen: 5)
Otto Preminger (seen: 5)
Dave Fleischer (seen: 20)
Hubert Frank (seen: 2)
Edwin L. Marin (seen: 2)
Marcel Carne (seen: 4)
Paul Verhoeven (seen: 8)
Peter Brook (seen: 2)
Rolf Olsen (seen: 9)
Peter Yates (seen: 4)
Massimo Dallamano (seen: 4)
Nobuo Nakagawa (seen: 6)
Don Bluth (seen: 6)
Sion Sono (seen: 5)
Lambert Hillyer (seen: 4)
Kenji Mizoguchi (seen: 9)
Shunya Ito (seen: 3)
Carl Theodor Dreyer (seen: 10)
David Lynch (seen: 12)
Terrence Malick (seen: 4)
Sergei Parajanov (seen: 3)
Shuji Terayama (seen: 5)
Sergio Leone (seen: 7)
Chris Marker (seen: 8)
Maurice Pialat (seen: 2)
Roger Corman (seen: 8)
Jan Svankmajer (seen: 13)
Sharunas Bartas (seen: 5)
Helmut Dziuba (seen: 3)
Hirokazu Koreeda (seen: 3)
Jack Arnold (seen: 11)
Angela Schanelec (seen: 3)
Wolfgang Staudte (seen: 10)
Roger Vadim (seen: 3)
Grzegorz Krolikiewicz (seen: 3)
Jean Epstein (seen: 2)
M. Night Shyamalan (seen: 6)
Philippe Garrel (seen: 3)
Marta Meszaros (seen: 2)

as holymanm would say i've never heard of (approximately 1/3 of) these people

the jerry

lewis, that is

Ken Russell (seen 13)
Pier Paolo Pasolini (seen 8)
Jean Epstein (seen 11)
Marcel Carné (seen 5)
Andrei Tarkovsky (seen 8)
Takeshi Kitano (seen 12)
Wong Kar-wai (seen 10)
Peter Watkins (seen 7)
Helmut Käutner (seen 6)
Michael Mann (seen 8)
John Waters (seen 7)
Joseph Losey (seen 6)
Louis Malle (seen 9)
Paul Schrader (seen 6)

This seems like the appropriate place to ask, and I suppose we can avoid delays if people plan in advance whom they'll pick. So: who's seen 8+ or 10+ Masaki Kobayashi flicks?

i’ve only got 5 kobayashi, provided the human condition counts for 3.

i had been thinking epstein, since wba and greenui mentioned him, but didn’t think enough people would have seen enough.

Seen 5 Kobayashis.

some suggestion (not mentioned above)

Buster Keaton (30)
King Vidor (5)
George Cukor (3)
Robert Aldrich (3)
John Huston (2)
Alain Resnais (10)
Jean-Pierre Melville (7)
Robert Altman (7)
Steven Spielberg (23)
Tsai Ming-liang (11)
Wang Bing (11)
Lav Diaz (12)
Im Kwon-taek (8)
Jonas Mekas (16)
Joel Coen (12)

seen 9 Kobayashis (count Human Condition trilogy as 1)

I second King Vidor.

I'm good for ten views for most old school US directors including a lot of lesser known Hollywood types and a fair number of the traditional "foreign" directors who used to get the most notice back in the pre-internet era. For newer directors it's more limited and for "obscure" SCFZ faves I might not be much help.

i'm incredibly flummoxed by all this - i've seen hardly 8 by any director, even those whose films i've loved. and yet i don't think i've seen much less than everyone (part from ol greg) so what on earth have i been watching?

(i've got 9 epstein tho! but i'm not sure i could rank them)

I think many hardcore movie fans nowadays tend to choose movies based on who directed them, going through different bodies of work while alternating between directors of interest more than just sort of digging in based on availability and whim alone. Since SCFZ is a spin off from "The Auteurs" aka Mubi, I imagine that might be the case for a number of people here, though not everyone of course. being able to download whatever you want whenever you want ti changes things pretty dramatically, and I guess comedically too.

I am much more whim and availability driven myself.

of the directors mentioned so far, these are the ones for whom i have 8+ views:

walerian borowczyk (13)
charlie chaplin (20+)
shohei imamura (10)
michael mann (8)
william wellman (11)
takashi miike (40)
stanley kubrick (11)
robert siodmak (12)
andrei tarkovsky (8)
raoul walsh (9)
otto preminger (11)
david lynch (13)
jan svankmajer (9)
mike leigh (9)
joseph losey (8)
louis malle (11)
paul schrader (9)
david cronenberg (11)
buster keaton (32)
george cukor (12)
robert aldrich (16)
john huston (13)
robert altman (24)
steven spielberg (22)
coen brothers (16)

More directors not mentioned yet:

Billy Wilder
Fred Zinnemann
Mark Robson
Peter Bogdanovich
George Stevens
Robert Wise
J. Lee Thompson
Tony Richardson
Martin Ritt
Robert Mulligan
Sydney Pollack
Jonathan Demme
Carol Reed
Oliver Stone
David Fincher
Tim Burton
David Mamet
Tony Scott

Silga wrote: ↑Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:18 pm[the] Mulligan [man]

i second this x a million! (even tho flip didn't like the nickel ride like he was supposed to)

Some more suggestions:

Norman Jewison
Henry King
Anatole Litvak

Nobody has yet mentioned Anthony Mann. He's, like, a fucking huge player, right? I've seen 18, and gave 5 of them 4/5 or higher

bure420 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 02, 2019 7:17 amAnthony [Dude]

good call. also noticed no john sturges

more to consider:

Mike Nichols
James Ivory
Atom Egoyan
Frank Lloyd
Delbert Mann
Norman Taurog
Lewis Milestone
Franklin J. Schaffner
Victor Fleming
George Roy Hill
Joseph L. Mankiewicz
Bernardo Bertolucci

I'd second a Shyamalan, but give Glass a few months to settle first because I'd be interested in seeing how it fares. I suspect the SCFZ crowd may have a bit of a controversial Shyamalan ranking, but we'll see.

I also support nrh's a-while-ago suggestion of a Mani Ratnam poll (I think I've seen 8 or 9 now so can easily watch one or two more to bring my count up to 10).

I also have 8+ views on:
Lav Diaz
Michael Mann
Stanley Kubrick
Andrei Tarkovsky
David Lynch
Jonas Mekas
The Coens

I'd be interested in seeing some more polls for experimentalists. I doubt we have a wide enough spread to poll anyone other than the greats; but surely we could manage polls for

Michael Snow
Takashi Ito
Ben Russell
Ben Rivers
Scott Barley
Shohei Imamura
and the like?

I assume we've already done a Benning? I vaguely remember voting in it.

we have done benning, yeah. imamura would be a great poll (i've seen ten), though i wouldn't group him in a list of experimentalists of the ilk of snow or ito.

Imamura would be swell, I mooted him as an possibility before, but wasn't sure if he had the views. And, yeah, not so much an experimentalist in the same vein as Snow and the others.

fwiw, ive got 8 imamura, and i’d imagine other people would have enough to make him work.

Maybe I'm overthinking and some of these are not worthy or prolific enough, but anyway, even more names not mentioned yet:

Roman Polanski
Emir Kusturica
Milos Forman
Bertrand Tavernier
Michael Haneke
François Ozon
Costa-Gavras
Jules Dassin
Don Siegel
Blake Edwards
William Friedkin
Spike Lee
Sam Peckinpah
Henry Hathaway
Michael Anderson
John Boorman
Rudolph Maté
Delmer Daves
Stanley Kramer
David Lean
John Sayles
Errol Morris
Arthur Hiller
Clarence Brown
Walter Hill
Alan J. Pakula
Frank Perry
Preston Sturges
Alan Parker
Stanley Donen

In total, I suggested 62 directors. I guess, I'll stop here.

among the directors suggested above, we didn't poll...

Alan J. Pakula
Alan Parker
Anatole Litvak
Angela Schanelec
Arthur Hiller
Atom Egoyan
Bertrand Tavernier
Bill Melendez
Bill Plympton
Blake Edwards
Bo Widerberg
Buddhadev Dasgupta
Chris Marker
Costa-Gavras
Dave Fleischer
David Fincher
David Lean
David Mamet
Delbert Mann
Delmer Daves
Dominik Graf
Don Bluth
Duccio Tessari
Eckhart Schmidt
Edwin L. Marin
Egon Günther
Emir Kusturica
Erich Waschneck
Ernst Hofbauer
Errol Morris
Frank Lloyd
Frank Perry
Franklin J. Schaffner
Fred Zinnemann
George Moorse
George Roy Hill
George Stevens
Grzegorz Krolikiewicz
Helmut Dziuba
Helmut Käutner
Henry Hathaway
Hiroshi Teshigahara
Hubert Frank
J. Lee Thompson
Jack Arnold
Jacques Doillon
James Foley
James Gray
James Ivory
Jan Svankmajer
Jean Eustache
Jean Rollin
Jerzy Skolimowski
Jess Franco
Joe D’Amato
John Badham
John Boorman
John Huston
John Sayles
John Waters
Jonathan Demme
Joseph L. Mankiewicz
Jules Dassin
Kaneto Shindo
Karpo Godina
Kar-wai Wong
Keisuke Kinoshita
Ko Nakahira
Koji Wakamatsu
Lambert Hillyer
M. Night Shyamalan
Mark Robson
Marran Gosov
Marta Meszaros
Martin Ritt
Masahiro Makino
Massimo Dallamano
Mike Nichols
Noboru Tanaka
Nobuo Nakagawa
Norman Jewison
Norman Taurog
Oliver Stone
Otto Preminger
Peter Bogdanovich
Peter Brook
Peter Watkins
Peter Yates
Preston Sturges
Ringo Lam
Robert Adolf Stemmle
Robert Siodmak
Robert Zemeckis
Roger Fritz
Roger Vadim
Rolf Olsen
Rolf Thiele
Rudolf Jugert
Rudolf Thome
Rudolph Maté
Sabu
Sergei Parajanov
Sergio Leone
Sharunas Bartas
Shuji Terayama
Shunya Ito
Sion Sono
Sogo Ishii
Stanley Donen
Stanley Kramer
Susumu Hani
Terrence Malick
Tim Burton
Tomu Uchida
Tony Richardson
Veit Harlan
Victor Fleming
Walter Hill
Wang Bing
Wei Lo
William Friedkin
Wolfgang Staudte
Wong Kar-wai

Nice.

Louie Lumiere

Nice! Soooo many filmmakers yet to poll.

Even if I merely look at my last Top 100 favorite filmmakers list I made in 2018, there's more than 50 of those we haven't yet polled.

I'm sure we can keep this going for great filmmakers with 10+ films for at least another 200 or 300 names.

a few fairly prolific english-language directors we haven't polled yet, some surprising to me:

peter bogdanovich
tim burton
edward dmytryk
william friedkin
henry hathaway
john huston
david lean
mike nichols
otto preminger
joel schumacher
george stevens
oliver stone
john sturges
preston sturges
fred zinnemann