Everything is Political

[rischka]

i didn't watch the video either

Dude... Do you also reply to my stuff without reading them first? That would explain a lot of things

i don't understand. is it important to watch the video? i tried but it was cringe. i can't stand tv news like i said? lol

[rischka]

sorry i get all my news from following journalists on twitter now, including even some socialists. i don't like the brocialist young turks tho

[kanafani]

i don't understand. is it important to watch the video?

It is not important to watch the video, I'm sure there are more important things. But if you don't watch it, don't reply. Likewise, if you don't read a post, don't reply to it. Kind of makes sense, no?

[rischka]

why would i reply to a post i didn't read. you seem to have some strange ideas about me lol

i can imagine what cnn's commentary would be like so didn't feel the need to subject myself? jeez

i didn't watch any of the inauguration either. such spectacles make me cringe

[kanafani]

Cos you just did essentially?

[rischka]

ok i'm leaving this weird discussion now, i have a very bad movie to watch. i just woke up and you're confusing me

good luck to joe and kamala, expecting the worst but hope for the best

try to relax kanafani. save your strength for the revolution

[kanafani]

I wonder if it is possible to ignore a user's posts only in one thread. Is that possible?

[rischka]

LOL i'll stop commenting here now, it's your thread after all. i respect your views and don't want to fight

i expect i'm not qualified to debate any of you, i got kicked out of high school lol

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CNN does not have a leftwing bias, they have a Dem bias. They point out that Trump is a white suptemacist, but don't say the same thing about Clinton and Biden, who are also right-wing white supremacists. Or Obama, the house-dwelling, bootlicking race traitor

Obama is not as bad as Trump, and Trump is not as bad as Hitler. Fox calls Hitler a fascist, but not Trump. CNN calls Hitler and Trump fascists, but not Obama. It's not a "both sides" issue, because Trump and Obama are on the same side. Trump is just further on that side. Fox News and CNN are both fascist propaganda, and both claim not to be. Fox News just endorses a more extreme version of fascism

Imo

[rischka]

ok yes i guess, i'm sorry, i shouldn't discuss since i don't watch cnn. i was referring to print media

i'm sure you're right but you do understand WHY they don't do that of course. they're selling a product

in conclusion, damian was right, we're all fascists obviously everyone raised in this country is racist and beholden to a system of white supremacy

most people are in denial about this and would be very upset to be told so on the evening news

i have no arguments with this, trump is the one who says MSM are radical left wing journalists. i still think only olds are watching cable news

and it's mainly telling them what they want to hear and that's why they keep watching. journalism is corrupted by capitalism for sure

AS IS EVERYTHING ELSE IN THIS COUNTRY ~ there, you've converted me not sure why y'all think i'm in denial about these things but w'ever

gonna go relax now!!

[rischka]

https://twitter.com/appledoglives/statu ... 33664?s=20

rischka OUT

[thoxans]

https://youtu.be/5dFEBFYkHqE?t=68

the above vid tells everyone everything they need to know about the msm. vid is cued up. watch for 1min 5sec. you can stop watching at 2min 13sec (right after msnbc conveniently busts out the ultimate straw man infographic that you can tell they've just been jonesing to show ever since an intern ran some bullshit numbers and came up with it)

bernie: families are struggling, and kids are going hungry!

stephanie ruhle: your colleagues in the senate clearly don't give a flying fuck and here's some numbers to prove it... now tell me senator, why don't you stop giving a shit like everyone else?

sidenote: ruhle supposedly had an affair with the ceo of under armour, and they would fly around on his private jet together (if that ain't the definition of a limousine liberal, then idk what is)

[rischka]

https://twitter.com/BrandyLJensen/statu ... 60352?s=20

btw bernie is now chair of the senate budget committee.

[flip]

rachel maddow is awesome

the young turks are to leftwing 'journalism' what fox news is to rightwing 'journalism'

it makes perfect sense that cnn is generally biased to favour democrats over republicans because journalists believe in facts and republicans do not. republicans think the election was fraudulent. they think global warming is a hoax. they think the mueller report exonerated trump

cnn is not fascist. obama is not fascist. you could call obama imperialist or a war criminal but anyone calling him fascist is not using words correctly imo

that fawning david chalian cnn video is indeed embarrassing

[kanafani]

https://twitter.com/CarlBeijer/status/1 ... 5460773890

[rischka]

i see why it pisses you off so much but why not just stop watching it

[kanafani]

This is like someone telling you 'if Trump bothers you so much, why don't you just stop paying attention to him?' I'm not "watching it", but I think it's important to highlight and think about, because those people have reach and influence, and what they do has real consequences, for example who's in power and who's not.

[rischka]

hasn't fox been on top for 20 years? people watching that shit are zombies. you're not going to change them

i don't pay attention to it because there is alternative media. i expect anyone who cares knows this afaik we don't have a shadow president

fox has dropped to third now since trump said to boycott them. that shows you who is paying attention to this stuff. but this is pointless and it's giving me a headache

on my special day /sarcasm

i just get tired of being called mainstream. it makes me wonder if you guys know anyone in the real world lol

[kanafani]

it makes perfect sense that cnn is generally biased to favour democrats over republicans because journalists believe in facts and republicans do not. republicans think the election was fraudulent. they think global warming is a hoax. they think the mueller report exonerated trump

This goes way beyond some kind of bias for objective truth and facts. There is an inherent ideological bias in big media. They largely parrot the status quo (and thus preserve it) instead of questioning it. They do it because it is profitable and advances the careers of many. Ambitious people who work in these institutions know what is safe to say and what is unwise to say, what gets you a promotion and a good yearly review and what makes you a pariah. No need for overt censorship, the censorship is internalized. Of course there are exceptions to the rule but I don't think there's any serious way to escape this fact. And to say that none of this matters and we should ignore it (I don't mean you, Flip) is lunacy.

We will have to disagree on Rachel

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obama is not fascist

Ferguson and Kenosha: How two presidents responded to civil unrest -- https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53993265

Deportations Higher Under Obama Than Bush -- https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way ... -than-bush

Obama Expands Surveillance Powers on His Way Out -- https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2017/01/o ... is-way-out

Obama and ‘American Exceptionalism’ -- https://www.factcheck.org/2015/02/obama ... tionalism/


Leader believes his country is the greatest on earth, and has the right to ignore international law. Leader orders record-breaking bombing of other countries. Leader closes borders to greatest extent ever, especially to people from countries that have been pillaged by his country. Leader takes huge donations from corporoate and financial entities, and then gives billions to these entities when he's in power. Leader is pro-police. Leader sends in federal troops to quash people protesting against country's systemic racism. Leader ramps up state's surveillience powers.

How is that not fascist?

[kanafani]

"Fascism" is an ideology that mines a general sense of grievance and humiliation in the masses, blames it on certain social groups or elites (Jews, immigrants, commies) , and advocates a resolution through violence and authoritarianism. At least that is my understanding of the word.

[rischka]

didn't say it doesn't matter, i said you can't change it. until you change CAPITALISM

so you agree trump is a fascist? i thought greenwald's crowd calls that laughable

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPw-3e_pzqU

this is fun for me actually. i love talking politics and most people i know won't engage at all lol

https://theintercept.com/2020/10/04/why ... -dictator/

oh yeah here it is. if dems think trump is a fascist they should pray for his death

i do think trump is a fascist (albeit a lazy one) and i told someone today i hoped his plane crashed on the way to america's penis and if that doesn't pan out perhaps the sea level could rise enough to sweep them all away

[kanafani]

Sorry Rischka, no offense, but I'm finding it hard to follow your logic (and even your gibes) in general. I think you're so emotional and agitated and taking everything too personally, to the point of being incoherent. I'll reply to you when your replies start making sense to me. Until then, no hard feelings, but I'm ignoring your posts, as they're increasingly feeling like spam to me.

[rischka]

um. okay then

someone please block me from off topic then. this is too much fun for me lol

bure? or lencho?? i know you can do it, i had them do it at ICM

sorry if i'm nonsensical, i'm working crazy hours and not getting a lot of sleep. no times for films even. i should leave the forum but i'm afraid it would die

[kanafani]

There's no need to block you, what is all this drama lol? I just won't reply to you. Why should you block yourself from something that brings you joy? As I said, no hard feelings.

[rischka]

because trolling you isn't fun if you don't reply

ok i'll put myself on time out

[flip]

Leader believes his country is the greatest on earth, and has the right to ignore international law. Leader orders record-breaking bombing of other countries. Leader closes borders to greatest extent ever, especially to people from countries that have been pillaged by his country. Leader takes huge donations from corporoate and financial entities, and then gives billions to these entities when he's in power. Leader is pro-police. Leader sends in federal troops to quash people protesting against country's systemic racism. Leader ramps up state's surveillience powers.

How is that not fascist?

some of those things are not 'fascist', but bernie sanders calls america 'the greatest country in the history of the world'. jacinda ardern is pro-police. that does not make them fascist.

obama observed the results of democratic elections. that definitionally makes him not a fascist. you can call him a war criminal or an imperialist and i won't dispute the characterization.

[Holdrüholoheuho]

my main political reading of today...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_p ... nald_Trump

unfortunately, most of the boxes pertaining to "January 2021" are still empty.

i see he pardoned (in 2018) a boxer sentenced in 1920 for illegal transport of a woman across state lines for immoral purposes.
in 2020, he pardoned a crime from 1873.

as far as drug-related crimes, there are few reefer madness pardons (f.e. Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute 1,000 or more kilograms of marijuana), one pardon of the "Distillation of moonshine" (committed in 1952), HOWEVER, leniency with cocaine trafficking prevails...

Conspiracy to possess cocaine, attempted possession of cocaine (3x)

Conspiracy to distribute cocaine

Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine hydrochloride

Conspiracy to unlawfully import cocaine into the U.S.

Cocaine distribution

Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute cocaine

Conspiracy to distribute, possess with intent to distribute, and manufacture more than 50 grams of a mixture and substance containing a detectable amount of cocaine base (crack cocaine) and aiding and abetting; possession with intent to distribute cocaine base and aiding and abetting; possession of cocaine with intent to manufacture cocaine base and aiding and abetting

Conspiracy to distribute crack cocaine

Conspiracy to import, attempted importation of, and possession of cocaine

no mercy (no pardons) with acid.

[Holymanm]

I complain all the time about the 'both sides' aspect of CNN et. al (the TV here is always left on that crap, or I would not see it and not complain). But, at the same time, I think it works both ways. I'll make sense in two seconds!

They'll have a discussion on whether Trump is a RacisT - you know, because he always says and does racist things and condones hate groups and so on - and 3 of 4 panel members will agree. The 4th one will be a ******* redneck hillbilly saying "nauw holonerr, mizzertrum sed cleeerlee nauw he-enn nawt no ra-siss", and I'll have to listen for 30 seconds to this "Republican side of the debate" open his mouth in some simian simulation of speech. In this age of complaining about people "GIVING A VOICE TO [bad/stupid/annoying/racist people]", CNN et. al have been doing it for years. Fun!

They also fawn all over the same jingoistic crap anyone else does. Wars are great; soldiers are great; police are great. Obama was great; Bush and Reagan were respectable Republicans, respectable men. Rah rah greatest country ever, democratic institutions, support the troops.

...that being said, they also generally and implicitly, smugly and self-righteously, support all dems over all reps. Not that I care, because while both are often scummy or delusional or incompetent, the dems are generally less so, and far less harmful, than the reps.

But so, you have it: they're biased toward democrats (though NOT left-wing, fuck no), but they also both-sides everything (though less so in recent months, because it's more frowned upon now) at the same time. Fun!!! Can we talk about Canadian media?

[Holymanm]

some of those things are not 'fascist', but bernie sanders calls america 'the greatest country in the history of the world'. jacinda ardern is pro-police. that does not make them fascist.

obama observed the results of democratic elections. that definitionally makes him not a fascist. you can call him a war criminal or an imperialist and i won't dispute the characterization.

And yes - can you have 'fascism' that isn't totalitarian? That doesn't make sense, does it? And I would never in a million years call Obama (or Reagan or Bush) totalitarian. Imperialistic, exceptionalist, evil, whatever, but not totalitarian... (except for that one time Obama announced "I don't really think we need to have this next election; I'll just serve for another 8 years. We will stop all Puerto Ricans from sabotaging our glorious future, and the world will bow down to the mighty steel of our empire and their skulls will crack under our American-engineered boots. Those who hamper us in our cause are traitors and will be arrested. Also, you can't talk to more than two people at a time")