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Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 9:06 pm
by rischka
greennui wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:31 am
rischka wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 3:19 am
greennui knows what i like
Wish I knew my own taste as well as yours!
i'm so predictable
u haven't steered me wrong yet (cept that Rollin thing but I might go back to it someday)
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Mon May 31, 2021 11:42 pm
by flip
ickykino tweeovalis wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:13 am
considering my own countrymen, maybe
Jaromil Jireš might be popular enough??? (if counting right, seen 15 — subtitled 3)
plus last time, i was suggesting as the second option
Angela Schanelec and we didn't count her viewings (i have seen 6 — but i would watch 3-4 more for the poll).
so, one (any) of these two would be great.
i'm guessing schanelec just hasn't made enough films (that are viewable) for almost anyone to have seen the 10+ we need someone to have seen. jires would definitely work if a couple of others had seen 6 or more, but i'm not optimistic at this point we'll find those people either
i'll definitely wait until tomorrow, but if you have any alternate suggestions that'd be great!
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 12:36 am
by brian d
i only have 5 by jireš
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:29 am
by john ryan
I've seen 8 Schanelac. Only 1 Jireš.
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:56 pm
by movie tickets forger
so (considering the paralel 1929 poll) what about Hans Richter??? (i have cca 6 but can easily get to 10)
or eventually Volker Schlöndorff??? (i have 8 and would be able to reach 10)
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 6:38 pm
by flip
i've seen 8 by richter, and i'm sure i haven't seen the most of anyone around here, so if someone has seen 10, he'll work for sure.
i've only seen 3 by schlorndorff, but i imagine some people have seen more.
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:30 pm
by ---
I have 8 jires
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 7:47 pm
by greennui
8 Richter
8 Schlöndorff
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:01 pm
by oscarwerner
Can`t help with Werner Schroeter
But i have :
13 Volker Schlöndorff
3 Hans Richter
2 Jaromil Jires
and
1 Angela Schanelec
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:58 pm
by flip
okay, schlorndorff definitely meets the criteria, and if we have someone with 10+ richter seen, then richter does too...
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:32 pm
by movie tickets forger
if Richter will pass (hopefully, someone will appear) i prefer him (due to the 1929 poll) -------- and Schlöndorff can be sparred for later.
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:47 pm
by movie tickets forger
cool! despite i heavily overestimated his international fame, nice to see a fellow jires enthusiast.
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:06 pm
by greennui
Can you extend this poll to next friday flip? Would like to fit in Goldflocken.
Gonna tell my kids this was Kate Bush and Boy George:
If you liked Johannas Traum then you should def watch Malibran, jiri. I think JT is mostly made up of unused footage from Malibran.
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Wed Jun 02, 2021 9:37 pm
by movie tickets forger
i am in the middle of Malibran right now. (i couldn't ignore all the praise above.)
and i am also pleading for extending this poll.
i still wish to watch after Malibran at least Deux and Rosekönig and don't want to skip cup movies either (so would like to watch the remaining films for this poll next week).
unfortunately, my lately idling in yolo economy is over, i am back in sweatshop mode and thus it is harder to find time for movies.
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 8:23 pm
by greennui
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2021 10:00 pm
by rischka
aren't german and swedish almost the same
i'm still going to watch der rosenkonig
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:02 am
by greennui
German was just one of the languages, did have german hardsubs that I sort of understood when I concentrated.
Deux. Schroeter in madcap mode. Huppert rampaging all over the place, chasing foxes and performing cabaret songs. Bulle Ogier smoking joints, having threesomes and so forth.
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2021 3:49 pm
by ---
haven't seen any of this guy's movies but i hope the lakers resign him
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Thu Jun 10, 2021 9:59 pm
by rischka
der tod der maria malibran
willow springs
der rosenkönig
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:08 pm
by flip
i'm not familiar enough with schroeter and his reception to know how conventional or surprising our poll results are:
results
1. The Death of Maria Malibran (1972) — 10.5 pts
2. Palermo or Wolfsburg (1980) — 7 pts
3. Willow Springs (1973) — 6.3 pts
4. Johannas Traum (1975) — 4.5 pts
5. Der Rosenkonig (1986) — 4 pts
6. Day of the Idiots (1981) — 3 pts
6. Aggression (1968) — 3 pts
8. Der Bomberpilot (1970) — 2 pts
8. Argila (1969) — 2 pts
8. Malina (1991) — 2 pts
11. The Kingdom of Naples (1978) — 1 pt
11. Goldflocken (1976) — 1 pt
13. Eika Katappa (1969) — 0.3 pts
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2021 1:09 pm
by flip
and it looks like volker schlorndorff was due to be our next poll, so i'll start that up tomorrow! (unless someone has a lot of hans richter views and posts between now and then)
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 12:13 pm
by flip
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:51 pm
by St. Gloede
I see I didn't vote here, but also wouldn't have had anything to vote for. Given him 3 chances so far, with Der Tod der Maria Malibran, Willow Springs and Der Bomberpilot. Found all rather repellent and not in a good way. I could appreciate certain visual touches, and can see a kinship with von Syderberg and Ottinger (both of who I'm a relative fan of), but here any promising atmosphere and exciting compositions/stylistic flares is often killed off by elements that just don't work for me (yet) and just strike me as downright aesthetically ugly. That may just be the effect it is going for, but the execution is just not something I can connect with. Ratings so far: 5/10, 4/10, 2/10.
Many images from his films still strike me as tantalizing and exciting though, and I will likely be drawn in again. The screenshots shared above just confirm that.
Re: SCFZ poll: Werner Schroeter
Posted: Mon Sep 27, 2021 6:06 pm
by nrh
St. Gloede wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 1:51 pm
Given him 3 chances so far, with Der Tod der Maria Malibran, Willow Springs and Der Bomberpilot.
love all 3 of those but i'd say they are well within his very underground/avant-garde period. not sure you'd like any of the post '78 stuff all that much more but the aesthetics definitely shift as he gets access to larger budgets and canvasses to work with.