Letterboxd showdown, special cinematographer edition: John Alton/Gregg Toland/James Wong Howe
How does it work?
I'll read data from the letterboxd accounts of SCFZ champs. I'll then use this data to answer a number of questions: Which Alton/Toland/Howe movie was rated the highest by champs? Which was lowest-rated? Which champ has seen the most from Alton/Toland/Howe? What are the movie that generated wildly different ratings? ETC.
When will I do this?
Friday May 31
What do you need to do?
Go to your letterboxd account. Rate/log Alton/Toland/Howe movies you've seen.
New to SCFZ? Have a letterboxd account? Wanna play?
Let me know
Letterboxd Stats showdown: John Alton/Gregg Toland/Hames Wong Howe
Letterboxd Stats showdown: John Alton/Gregg Toland/Hames Wong Howe
Last edited by kanafani on Tue May 28, 2019 7:16 pm, edited 1 time in total.
In the ultimate showdown, each champ gets one vote: Your vote goes to the cinematographer whose movies you gave a higher average rating to. If you gave both cinematographers the same average rating or you're one of those people who don't believe in ratings, your vote goes to no one.
Place your bets! Here are the questions - answer as many as you want:
1. Rank the three cinematographers! Who gets the most votes?
2. What is the vote difference between the first and second? E.g. Alton + 5
3. What Alton movie did champs rate the highest?
4. What Toland movie did champs rate the highest?
5. What Howe movie did champs rate the highest?
6. Which champ has the seen the most Alton movies? How many did said champ see?
7. Which champ has the seen the most Toland movies? How many did said champ see?
8. Which champ has the seen the most Howe movies? How many did said champ see?
The winner gets to pick the next showdown.
Place your bets! Here are the questions - answer as many as you want:
1. Rank the three cinematographers! Who gets the most votes?
2. What is the vote difference between the first and second? E.g. Alton + 5
3. What Alton movie did champs rate the highest?
4. What Toland movie did champs rate the highest?
5. What Howe movie did champs rate the highest?
6. Which champ has the seen the most Alton movies? How many did said champ see?
7. Which champ has the seen the most Toland movies? How many did said champ see?
8. Which champ has the seen the most Howe movies? How many did said champ see?
The winner gets to pick the next showdown.
1 towland
2 towland +2 (over howe)
3 silver lode
4 ball of fire
5 shanghai express
6 rischka
7 greg x
8 greg x
2 towland +2 (over howe)
3 silver lode
4 ball of fire
5 shanghai express
6 rischka
7 greg x
8 greg x
"Most esteemed biographer of Peter Barrington Hutton"
wow good bets brian
nobody else wants to guess? so i'll win just like that?
"Most esteemed biographer of Peter Barrington Hutton"
Participation and interest in these showdowns has been dwindling for a while now. Maybe this should be the last one? Or maybe I should start a new rule: ‘if you don’t bet, you don’t get to play’ 
to the first five questions:
howe/toland/alton
howe + 3
raw deal
the little foxes
shanghai express
howe/toland/alton
howe + 3
raw deal
the little foxes
shanghai express
Toland/Alton/Howe
Toland + 3
Tennessee's Partner
Notorious
Sweet Smell of Success
No idea who's seen what from each since they all have a number of movies that likely aren't gonna rank well, but my own preference would be Howe/Toland/Alton just based on their demonstrated ability at their craft.
Toland + 3
Tennessee's Partner
Notorious
Sweet Smell of Success
No idea who's seen what from each since they all have a number of movies that likely aren't gonna rank well, but my own preference would be Howe/Toland/Alton just based on their demonstrated ability at their craft.
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Lencho of the Apes
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I'm concerned that lb listings aren't going to be complete and definitive about cinematographers. I'd expect the lesser films in each person's CV to be spottily represented, just because amateurs who enter unrepresented movies aren't likely to be scrupulous about importing all possible information.
Alton has 81 credits on LB as DP, 102 at imdb. Toland: 57/66. Wong Howe: 101/142.
Alton has 81 credits on LB as DP, 102 at imdb. Toland: 57/66. Wong Howe: 101/142.
The opposite of 'reify' is... ?
1. Toland, Howe, then Alton
2. Toland + 4
3. Raw Deal
4. Citizen Kane
5. Sweet Smell of Success
2. Toland + 4
3. Raw Deal
4. Citizen Kane
5. Sweet Smell of Success
1. Toland, Howe, Alton
2. Toland +7
3. Tennessee's Partner
4. Notorious
5. Seconds
6. greg x
7. greg x
8. greg x
2. Toland +7
3. Tennessee's Partner
4. Notorious
5. Seconds
6. greg x
7. greg x
8. greg x
People, please feel free to rate your movies if you are so inclined!
The 'right' fix is for someone to edit the TMDB pages and add the missing info, but I do not see that happening before Friday. I could fix it for a select handful if you have particular titles in mind though.Lencho_of_the_Apes wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2019 2:01 am I'm concerned that lb listings aren't going to be complete and definitive about cinematographers. I'd expect the lesser films in each person's CV to be spottily represented, just because amateurs who enter unrepresented movies aren't likely to be scrupulous about importing all possible information.
Alton has 81 credits on LB as DP, 102 at imdb. Toland: 57/66. Wong Howe: 101/142.
Interest in the results and participation in the betting are two very different things. I'm always thrilled to see the stats, but I wouldn't know where to begin with my guesses. Besides, having won a round before I wouldn't be eligible if I won this time
Sure you would!! Everyone is eligible
Oh, well then 
Here we go:
1. Howe > Toland > Alton
2. Howe + 11
3. Raw Deal
4. Citizen Kane
5. Seconds
6. Lencho
7. Rischka
8. John Ryan
Here we go:1. Howe > Toland > Alton
2. Howe + 11
3. Raw Deal
4. Citizen Kane
5. Seconds
6. Lencho
7. Rischka
8. John Ryan
Toland and Howe tie for first
A: Raw Deal, rischka
T: Citizen Kane, greg
H: Fantasia, greg
A: Raw Deal, rischka
T: Citizen Kane, greg
H: Fantasia, greg
Flabrezu has these blokes rated btw, not sure if he's on your list
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Lencho of the Apes
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1,2) Alton, +1
6,7,8) Greg X
6,7,8) Greg X
The opposite of 'reify' is... ?
Ugh what a day. Alright uploading results soon.
John Alton
- Average Rating: 3.502404
- Total Champ Views: 286
- Total Champ Ratings: 215
- Highest Rated Movie: tea-and-sympathy (3.8 stars, 5 ratings)
- Lowest Rated Movie: bury-me-dead (2.25 stars, 2 ratings)
Breakdown of Alton movies, sorted by highest average SCFZ rating:
Breakdown of Alton movies, sorted by number of logs:
Divisive Alton movies:
Here are the Alton movies that received a rating of 2.5 stars or less:
Alton ratings spread:
Champs sorted by number of Alton movies logged:
Champs sorted by average rating of Alton movies. I added a new column that shows the difference between you average Alton rating and your overall average rating.
Highest rated Alton movie for each champ (in case of a tie, I only list one):
Lowest rated Alton movie for each champ (in case of a tie, I only list one):