Courtroom! SCFZ Genre Poll

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thoxans wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:14 pm surprised wiseman's juvenile court didn't get a vote, but i suppose that would've depended on peoples' willingness to include dox. raymond depardon's 10th district court is another one
It's one of my favorite Wisemans, and I just plum forgot about while hastily making a ballot
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i had actually been thinking to exclude documentaries, but then i plain forgot to make a decision about them, so some (like point of order) got votes, but i left them off my ballot altogether (though i would have voted for point of order had i been thinking to include them).

i had thought to exclude docs mainly because i didn't want things like making a murderer to count (though i'm not sure why i felt that way), but it does feel like wiseman films or point of order probably should count? anyway, if anyone wants to update a ballot, as long as i haven't posted to letterboxd i'll be happy to modify the tally -- just quote your earlier ballot, along with your new one, so i can see what changed. i can hold off posting to letterboxd for two or three days to give everyone a chance to make any edits they want to make.
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thoxans wrote: Wed Jan 13, 2021 9:14 pm surprised wiseman's juvenile court didn't get a vote, but i suppose that would've depended on peoples' willingness to include dox. raymond depardon's 10th district court is another one
you could spare yourself that surprise if you posted a ballot :)
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jiri kino ovalis wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:18 pm Eva Koťátková – The Judicial Murder of Jakob Mohr (Tomáš Luňák, 2016) (pic ↓)
this isn't on letterboxd (or imdb, it's hard to even find on google) so i'll need to mention it in the preamble on the letterboxd list, rather than in the list itself
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okay, i gave a few days for people to cure their ballots, and i made a small adjustment to mine (i decided to vote for point of order!, so that gained 1 point, and i removed the people vs larry flynt, so that lost 1 point). the results are now official - official top 100 is below, with ties broken by letterboxd views (fewer views means higher ranking) :
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1. Anatomy of a Murder (Otto Preminger, 1959)
2. The Verdict (Sidney Lumet, 1982)
3. 12 Angry Men (Sidney Lumet, 1957)
4. Witness for the Prosecution (Billy Wilder, 1957)
5. Paths of Glory (Stanley Kubrick, 1957)
6. The Ox-Bow Incident (William Wellman, 1943)
7. A Separation (Asghar Farhadi, 2011)
8. Close-Up (Abbas Kiarostami, 1990)
9. Young Mr Lincoln (John Ford, 1939)
10. The Passion of Joan of Arc (Carl Theodor Dreyer, 1928)
11. To Kill a Mockingbird (Robert Mulligan, 1962)
12. The Social Network (David Fincher, 2010)
13. The Trial (Orson Welles, 1962)
14. A Man for All Seasons (Fred Zinnemann, 1966)
15. The Insider (Michael Mann, 1999)
16. M (Fritz Lang, 1931)
17. JFK (Oliver Stone, 1991)
18. Erin Brockovich (Steven Soderbergh, 2000)
19. Guilty as Sin (Sidney Lumet, 1993)
20. The Winslow Boy (David Mamet, 1999)
21. Compulsion (Richard Fleischer, 1959)
22. My Cousin Vinny (Jonathan Lynn, 1992)
23. A Place in the Sun (George Stevens, 1951)
24. Judgment at Nuremberg (Stanley Kramer, 1961)
25. Kramer vs Kramer (Robert Benton, 1979)
26. I Just Didn't Do It (Masayuki Suo, 2006)
27. Witchhammer (Otakar Vavra, 1970)
28. Prince of the City (Sidney Lumet, 1981)
29. A Matter of Life and Death (Emeric Pressburger, Michael Powell, 1946)
30. The Devils (Ken Russell, 1971)
31. Michael Clayton (Tony Gilroy, 2007)
32. Philadelphia (Jonathan Demme, 1993)
33. King and Country (Joseph Losey, 1964)
34. La Verite (Henri-Georges Clouzot, 1960)
35. The Westerner (William Wyler, 1940)
36. Breaker Morant (Bruce Beresford, 1980)
37. A Passage to India (David Lean, 1984)
38. A Civil Action (Steven Zaillian, 1998)
39. The Traitor (Marco Bellocchio, 2019)
40. ...And Justice for All (Norman Jewison, 1979)
41. Presumed Innocent (Alan Pakula, 1990)
42. Changing Lanes (Roger Michell, 2002)
43. Capote (Bennett Miller, 2005)
44. A Few Good Men (Rob Reiner, 1992)
45. Conduct Unbecoming (Michael Anderson, 1975)
46. Aakrosh (Govind Nihalani, 1980)
47. Music Box (Costa-Gavras, 1989)
48. A Cry in the Dark (Fred Schepisi, 1988)
49. The Paradine Case (Alfred Hitchcock, 1947)
50. Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil (Clint Eastwood, 1997)
51. A Time to Kill (Joel Schumacher, 1996)
52. Dark Waters (Todd Haynes, 2019)
53. Madeleine (David Lean, 1950)
54. The File on Thelma Jordon (Robert Siodmak, 1949)
55. Night Falls on Manhattan (Sidney Lumet, 1996)
56. Beyond a Reasonable Doubt (Fritz Lang, 1956)
57. Sully (Clint Eastwood, 2016)
58. Point of Order! (Emile de Antonio, 1964)
59. The Winslow Boy (Anthony Asquith, 1948)
60. Counsellor at Law (William Wyler, 1933)
61. True Confession (Wesley Ruggles, 1937)
62. Chicago 10 (Brett Morgen, 2007)
63. Intruder in the Dust (Clarence Brown, 1949)
64. Who Killed Cock Robin? (David Hand, 1935)
65. The Bedroom Window (Curtis Hanson, 1987)
66. Court (Chaitanya Tamhane, 2014)
67. The Trial (Eric Notarnicola, 2017)
68. Find Me Guilty (Sidney Lumet, 2006)
69. The Insult (Ziad Doueiri, 2017)
70. The Sweet Hereafter (Atom Egoyan, 1997)
71. Mangrove (Steve McQueen, 2020)
72. Roman J. Israel, Esq. (Dan Gilroy, 2017)
73. The People vs Larry Flynt (Milos Forman, 1996)
74. Changeling (Clint Eastwood, 2008)
75. Rashomon (Akira Kurosawa, 1950)
76. Silence! The Court Is in Session (Satyadev Dubey, 1968)
77. I, Justice (Zbynek Brynych, 1968)
78. Color of Justice (Jeremy Kagan, 1997)
79. The Judge (Elmer Clifton, 1949)
80. We Are All Murderers (Andre Cayatte, 1952)
81. Beyond Hatred (Olivier Meyrou, 2005)
82. Criminal Court (Robert Wise, 1946)
83. The Authentic Trial of Carl Emmanuel Jung (Marcel Hanoun, 1967)
84. The Mad Executioners (Edwin Zbonek, 1963)
85. Palermo Or Wolfsburg (Werner Schroeter, 1980)
86. The Baader-Meinhof Gang on Trial (Reinhard Hauff, 1986)
87. Murer: Anatomy of a Trial (Christian Frosch, 2018)
88. The Accused (William Dieterle, 1949)
89. Damini (Rajkumar Santoshi, 1993)
90. The Judge and the Assassin (Bertrand Tavernier, 1976)
91. Two Men in Town (Jose Giovanni, 1973)
92. The Man Who Sued God (Mark Joffe, 2001)
93. Let Him Have It (Peter Medak, 1991)
94. Bamako (Abderrahmane Sissako, 2006)
95. Jolly LLB (Subhash Kapoor, 2013)
96. True Believer (Joseph Ruben, 1989)
97. The Onion Field (Harold Becker, 1979)
98. Hidden Agenda (Ken Loach, 1990)
99. Boomerang! (Elia Kazan, 1947)
100. I Want to Live (Robert Wise, 1958)
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i included one doc on my list: Dream/Killer

highly recommend, perhaps as i have a personal connection to it. i helped work on the subject's appeals. he is a truly kind and thoughtful person, one of the most sweet and understanding ppl i have ever met. every pig and prosecutor who has conspired to frame him should be ended
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flip wrote: Wed Jan 20, 2021 6:12 pm
jiri kino ovalis wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:18 pm Eva Koťátková – The Judicial Murder of Jakob Mohr (Tomáš Luňák, 2016)
this isn't on letterboxd (or imdb, it's hard to even find on google) so i'll need to mention it in the preamble on the letterboxd list, rather than in the list itself
it's a shame all the film databases (with the exception of Kinometer) disregard this film!
film (directed by Tomáš Luňák, 2016, 63 min) is a record of stage performance (directed by Eva Koťátková) based on a drawing (part of Prinzhorn Collection) by Jakob Mohr.
https://prinzhorn.ukl-hd.de/exhibitions ... -mohr/?L=1
This monographic exhibition held in the anteroom of our museum introduces the Mannheim gardener Jakob Mohr (1884–1940), who from 1905 on repeatedly underwent psychiatric treatment. He believed to be exposed to and influenced by machine-generated waves directed towards him by an “aggressor”. As protection, he made himself a coat from tin foil. In a courtroom scene drawn in rich detail Mohr demonstrates how these waves even induced him to commit perjury. The Prague artist Eva Koťátková (*1982) chose this drawing as a starting point for her performance “The Judicial Murder of Jakob Mohr“ (2016). A film of the performance will be shown in our exhibition as well as other works by Mohr.
https://www.cabinetmagazine.org/issues/14/turner.php
THE INFLUENCING MACHINE
Foot-curving, lethargy-making, spark-exploding, knee-nailing, burning out, eye-screwing, sight-stopping, roof-stringing, vital-tearing, fibre-ripping, and so on
“The influencing machine,” Tausk wrote, “makes the patients see pictures. When this is the case, the machine is generally a magic lantern or cinematograph. The pictures are seen on a single plane, on walls or windowpanes; unlike typical visual hallucinations, they are not three-dimensional.”
The psychiatrist Hans Prinzhorn began collecting for his famous Museum of Pathological Art the same year that Tausk published his essay (within a year Prinzhorn had acquired forty-five hundred works, which are currently housed in the Psychiatric University Hospital in Heidelberg, Germany). One of these images illustrates an Influencing Machine in strikingly graphic form. The artist was Jakob Mohr, a farmer and hawker suffering from paranoid schizophrenia, and his picture shows someone holding a small box which resembles an old-fashioned camera and transmits something like static at its victim. The structural workings of the contraption are explained in a palimpsest of scribbled notes, which Prinzhorn called “word salad.” The operator, who is thought to be the psychiatrist (he wears headphones so that he can listen in on Mohr’s thoughts), aims a radiation tube at his subject that emits “electric waves” and renders him a “hypnotic slave.” The machine’s energy flows two ways—it is a magnet as well as a gun: “Waves are pulled out of me,” Mohr scrawled, “through the positive electrical fluorescent attraction of the organic positive pole as the remote hypnotizer through the earth.” The appliance’s malevolent power over Mohr is illustrated by a series of childishly drawn arrows and wavy tentacles which unite both men in a painful-looking spasm of electricity.
Jakob Mohr, Judicial Murder, 1909-1910, Inv. Nr. Inv. No. 627b recto © Prinzhorn collection, University Hospital Heidelberg
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i have posted this to letterboxd:

https://letterboxd.com/fliptrotsky/list ... scfz-poll/

only two directors have more than 2 films on the final list. sidney lumet has the most, by far -- there are 6 lumet films in the top 100. i would never have guessed the other: clint eastwood directed 3 of our top 100 courtroom films.
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haven't had time to see this yet but a subbed copy of br chora's famous courtroom film kanoon just went up on yt - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsZwSdcLYXA&t=3s
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1954 poll No21:
THE SEAPREME COURT (Seymour Kneitel)

little Audrey (Hepburn???) on the underwater trial!
https://youtu.be/OPDlvvWTAmo
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