RIP

[rischka]

trump has been credibly accused of sexual assault by over twenty women but yes that's equivalent to liking a rap song

anyway can we stop now

[thoxans]

who he was

same here. wasn't until i googled an image of him, and realized, 'ohhh he's that black market doctor dude in ronin who performs surgery on de niro to extract a bullet'

philistinism epitomized

[MrCarmady]

trump has been credibly accused of sexual assault by over twenty women but yes that's equivalent to liking a rap song

anyway can we stop now

hopefully it's clear that i was joking and i don't think they're equivalent in any way. agreed though, let's stop. might watch india song tonight

[rischka]

was addressing the other guy anyway. whatever

so michael chapman shot raging bull and taxi driver, then ghostbusters II and kindergarten cop

oooh but he worked on slumber party massacre! it's in my halloween watchlist

[Umbugbene]

might watch india song tonight

I watched India Song seven times this past spring. Michael Lonsdale fits the movie so well, and I'm sorry he's gone.

[sally]

him wailing offscreen in that clip i posted above in india song is my favourite thing in a movie ever

[liquidnature]

I still don't know what the copypasta thing is, but I guess it's a joke of some kind. And to flip, no, these aren't personal contentions with anyone in particular on this forum. I love everyone here regardless of any difference of opinion.

The extension I made towards a Cardi B rap song is not a hyperbolic analogy - though it is not entirely a political issue, but rather a societal one (a society with a very twisted sense of morality, which turns a blind eye to sexual deviance and assault when it is politically convenient, comfortable, or enjoyable). And "credible" is a laughable assessment - Trump accusers are about as credible as Christine Blasey Ford - which is, lacking any evidence or witnesses or consistent testimony. If one wants credible accusers, look at Biden's - or simply watch the raw footage of him groping and sniffing children.

The central message of what I wrote remains the blatant hypocrisy. Everything anyone could accuse Trump of has also been done by his opponents or even the average civilian speaking against him. Biden and Harris have together been directly responsible for the incarceration of more black people than arguably any two people in US government history. Riot that.

But yes, I'll agree to stop.

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On a film note, I watched Ford's Stagecoach for the first time last night. Can't wait to watch it again. The tense and swift, but carefully calculated, final twenty minutes were about as masterfully constructed as any gunfight sequence I've ever seen. A little universe in those 90 minutes.

[rischka]

so biden's one accuser is credible but not trump's 26. ok

gonna have to leave for awhile as i am SEETHING now

didn't know Qanon was in our midst. i feel physically ill

my own fault since i started this

trump's family is a criminal enterprise. there is simply no comparison to 'normal' politicians who make their tax returns public

[---]

That a singular mind could doubly execute the mental gymnastics of deriding decades old trump marital affairs while praising a piece of lauded trash such as "WAP" openly is a hilariously profound exercise in moral hypocrisy.

That was my favourite sentence too lol

[rischka]

assume he meant the affairs that were paid off by the campaign, an action that put trump's lawyer in prison

[---]

Liquidnature is on a week's timeout

[rischka]

ty bure, sry everyone

[sally]

Liquidnature is on a week's timeout

oh no don't do that please

can't we just have a discussion thread that isn't the RIP one? i have to keep checking that no one else has died.

[rischka]

there's no discussion w/qanon. they're unreachable by facts or logic

but we could take a vote if people feel strongly about not 'cancelling' liquidnature

once again this is horrible and i feel totally responsible

let him come back plz i'll put him on ignore

[therouxxx]

Liquidnature is on a week's timeout

I think it would be great if there was an explanation for this.. what rule was broken etc.

[thoxans]

no one else has died

oh, they have, it's just that they're not worth caring about

[rischka]

bure just knows i won't be able to shut up if i see him here lol. it's ok let him come back

[rischka]

no one else has died

oh, they have, it's just that they're not worth caring about

US passed the 200,000 mark of covid deaths today

[rischka]

oops DP

gonna go watch a film

wait: how do we 'ignore' people here. should i make him a foe. let's see what happens

[nrh]

but we could take a vote if people feel strongly about not 'cancelling' liquidnature

once again this is horrible and i feel totally responsible

don't feel responsible and i don't think liquidnature has done anything that deserves a ban (using our extremely strict standards).

remember that damien was banned not for having dopey politics or even for insulting people, but for constantly derailing the forum by only posting off-topic in a way that seemed to derail any conversation near it (seriously did he ever post about film beyond a certain point?) and compulsively doing so even after lots of warnings. if i started opening topic threads berating not just this forum but the world for their insufficient enthusiasm for the british synth pop band the blue nile, and literally never posted about film at all, it would be just as banworthy, even though i would be correct.

also the big issue with WAP is that meg and cardi, who are both great, make kind of an awkward fit, or rather meg's style just makes cardi sound overly studied in a way she doesn't with more sympathetic partners. it's ok but i don't care for it anywhere near as much as anything off their last solo albums.

edit - i do think openly advocating q type conspiracy is worth at least warning but that hasn't happened yet...i think? i totally get why this is a really uncomfortable topic for anyone...

[rischka]

i don't really care for it either, didn't know it was dems official anthem, did we vote on this?

[---]

Ok if you guys really think so l unbanned him

Afaic he's committed at least two offences

- accused rape survivors of lying
- called women expressing their sexuality "deviants"

But this is a community (we live in a society), so if the community doesnt consider these offences bankable, I guess they're not

[rischka]

thx bure i know you were trying to help

[sally]

Ok if you guys really think so l unbanned him

Afaic he's committed at least two offences

- accused rape survivors of lying
- called women expressing their sexuality "deviants"

But this is a community (we live in a society), so if the community doesnt consider these offences bankable, I guess they're not

thank you bure ♥

until society (any society, anyone?) comes up with a better way of dealing with rape than requiring 'evidence' & 'witnesses' (neither of which i could have provided in my case(s)) then just feel it's a bit harsh to punish an individual for expressing such requirements. i don't know what the answer to that is tho, and i've thought about it for decades

[thoxans]

i just feel that it's very important we all take a moment to acknowledge that sexually deviant women are da best. as long as we can all agree on that, i'm good

[St. Gloede]

The cognitive dissonance of modern leftist progressivism, especially when marinated thoroughly in manipulated journalistic propaganda and embroidered in grave-clothes cultural marxism, is astounding.

I know I shouldn't dive into this, but I think you have been mislead, and best to try to clarify this a little.

I think the most important thing here is understanding that Cultural Marxism is nazi propaganda, originating in the Third Reich as "Cultural Bolshevism", and surviving to this day.

It doesn't actually exist, or rather it is, when defined a contradiction, i.e. post-modern Marxism. This is nonsensical as Marxism is a modernist philosophy, and more so because cultural Marxism would essentially be advocacy for class-consciousness, etc.

The term is typically used as a buzzword to scare people, and spread the lie that Marxism is somehow infiltrating all walks of life - despite that what is referred to is generally standard liberal social justice, i.e. elements of the centre-right to centre-left. Or, for the neo-nazis a symbol of degeneracy in the west. It doesn't have anything to do with Marxism, and not even the left (in a real sense).

That a singular mind could doubly execute the mental gymnastics of deriding decades old trump marital affairs while praising a piece of lauded trash such as "WAP" openly is a hilariously profound exercise in moral hypocrisy.

1. Actually, no, if this was the case there would be no hypocrisy. There is no contradiction whatsoever in being against infidelity while simultaneously having no issue with lude acts.

2. The attack is typically at him portraying himself as a Christian, and the odd way conservative Christians support him. I.e. you can oppose monogamy and not be a hypocrite for pointing out someone else being a hypocrite.

The Left are pure hypocrites. Cut and dried. Having the gall to libel trump's geopolitics while offering unflinching support of obama's endless civilian dronestrikes and clinton's intoxication with sinister globalism and open child exploitation.

I don't understand this point at all. The left hates Obama and Clinton. They protested them, and hate them to this day. Are you referring to Liberals? You started by talking about Leftist Progressivism. Leftist specifically mean anti-capitalism - many even hate Sanders, AOC, etc. and view them as Liberals. Ideologically Liberalism is a right wing ideology. While they are, due to the far right political spectrum in the US, considered to be to the left, this does not make them Leftist, or even Progressive.

So no, there is no hypocrisy here, the case you made is simply not true.

Supporting bernie's plan for redistribution while he sits on millions and three houses garnered through the capitalist system to which he feigns contempt.

This does not make sense.

Sanders is not anti-capitalist. He is a Democratic Socialist (Social Democrat, or SD-adjacent). He openly supports capitalism. He simply wants a baseline-strong social safety net and more economic accountability. His policies would be centre-right in my country.

How is having 3 houses an argument against thinking US people should have universal healthcare - like almost all other people do? In fact isn't it better that the person advocating it shows he is willing to be taxed slightly higher himself? It shows a degree of integrity.

Also - even if Sanders was further left, and actively opposed capitalism, it would not be hypocritical to have 3 houses. Standard socialists are not opposed to "wealth". The difference between Sanders and "economic socialists" is that the latter want the majority of the economy owned by the people or the workers themselves, i.e. state companies or co-ops. They don't believe in everyone getting the same pay. etc. I am personally well to the left of Sanders, and I would not have an issue with someone having 3 residences (which makes sense for someone who lives in two states for work purposes + 1 summer home - in my country this is not even out of the ordinary for working class people).

This would only be potentially hypocritical if he was a communist and staunchly opposed to personal property.

Pretending to care about the constitution while daily advocating for its disintegration.

Different people maybe? The left is pretty diverse.

Deeming words violence, and silence violence, but violence itself not to be violence.

Not sure who says violence is not violence.

Claiming to be anti-fascist while forcefully shutting down every facet of free speech, censoring every wellspring of truth, altering history, and banning any dissenters.

The free speech issue is simply propaganda, confusing people calling others out, i.e. using their free speech - as anti-free speech. Even boycotts, i.e. free speech, is being portrayed as anti-free speech, and made illegal by several U.S. states in the case of Israel.

As for altering history, this is tyically an issue of the right - are you referring to people presenting history as a reason to remove statues, etc?

Burning down the American cities and black neighborhoods they pretend to enshrine. Give me a break. Hypocrites.

This appears to be conflating a sub-group of a sub-group (i.e. the minority of rioters that start fire with the minority of rioterss) with all BLM protestors with all progressives. That doesn't seem very reasonable.

If you asked the specific rioters causing property damage many would likely not be hypocrites, but advocate targetted attacks against the state. Others again may simply just like chaos and find this an outlet - which isn't technically hypocritical either - and you appear to be making the case that BLM protesters and Leftist Progressives all do this or all support this - which is simply not true.

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Hope that was fairly helpful, and respectful.Luckily I don't have much of a bone in this fight or thread as I'm not an American - but wanted to clear up any confusion here.

(P. S. Don't know what WAP is)

[St. Gloede]

And really sad to see all of these political posts surrounding the respectful RIPs to Micheal Lonsdale. A tremendous actor. Was just speaking about him (in Autumn by Hanoun) the day he died actually. Odd coincident as unfortunately I had not seen a film with him for a while - but there was something in his work in this film where it is just him and his co-lead looking at a screen and talking with each other (they are editing a film, and the screen is the camera showing them) that is simply so memorable.

He is truly alegend of French Arthouse Cinema.

The second role, someone similar, that instantly comes to mind is his simple role in A Dirty Story - simply telling the story. He had such a captivating presence.

[St. Gloede]

I also need to start reading to the last page ... didn't realize the politics thing had been closed. All for the better.

[sally]

are there english subs for a dirty story? i got told once there wasn't. if there are, i think someone should mourn lonsdale appropriately by making film and subs available in resources.

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[rischka]

are there english subs for a dirty story? i got told once there wasn't. if there are, i think someone should mourn lonsdale appropriately by making film and subs available in resources.

?

i got you

edit: done