SCI-FI! --- scfz genre poll

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Heh. No matter what the limit is, it always seems like there's difficulty in deciding to leave out something, unless of course the limit is so big there isn't enough movies to fill it.
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nrh wrote: Tue Nov 26, 2019 7:26 pm Will try to have something up by Monday or Tuesday though.
ok, let's plan to close this poll on tuesday next week, in seven days, but if anyone hasn't had a chance to post a ballot by then and still wants to, let me know, and i'll leave the poll open a bit longer.
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oh cool! if that's the case, i'll fit in a few more. guess i shoulda simply asked for an extension myself originally, but my boy nrh came through
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nrh wrote: Sat Oct 26, 2019 2:04 pm this always makes me think of the famous stanislaw lem quote regarding the two adaptations of solaris -

"Summing up, as Solaris‘ author I shall allow myself to repeat that I only wanted to create a vision of a human encounter with something that certainly exists, in a mighty manner perhaps, but cannot be reduced to human concepts, ideas or images. This is why the book was entitled “Solaris” and not Love in Outer Space.”
Was Lem's quote about both versions of SOLARIS, or just the Soderbergh version?
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here's full translation of his thoughts on both versions, both of which i genuinely like (he didn't really watch either but what he says is still interesting) - http://mustseecinema.com/stanislaw-lems ... oderbergh/
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Many thanks for that, I'd been trying to find it. I too like both versions, but Lem's comment about his novel not being entitled "Love In Outer Space" has stuck in my memory about them.
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who cares what Lem has to say? he didn't direct those two films. Tarkovsky and Soderbergh did.
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think i'll finally tackle lang's metropolis! ambitious, i know. hoping to finish it by tomorrow, so flip can start tallying this up
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world on a wire (rainer werner fassbinder, 1973)
before we vanish (kiyoshi kurosawa, 2017)
enthiran (shankar, 2010)
patlabor: the movie (mamoru oshii)
august in the water (gakuryu ishii, 1995)
scanners (david cronenberg, 1983)
new rose hotel (able ferrara, 1998)
dark star (john carpenter, 1974)
kaiba (masaaki yuasa, 2008)
sins of the fleshapoids (mike kuchar, 1965)

ghost in the shell 2: innocence (mamoru oshii, 2004)
zebraman 2: attack on zebra city (takashi miike, 2010)
nemesis (albert pyun, 1993)
radioactive dreams (albert pyun, 1985)
robocop (paul verhoeven, 1987)
a.i. (steven spielberg, 2001)
starship troopers (paul verhoeven 1997)
summer vacatioin 1999 (shusuke kaneko, 1988)
trouble in mind (alan rudolph, 1985)
high life (claire denis, 2018)

real (kiyoshi kurosawa, 2013)
big bang love juvenile a (takashi miike, 2006)
firefox (clint eastwood, 1983)
the girl from monday (hal hartley, 2005)
deja vu (tony scott, 2006)
starman (john carpenter, 1984)
explorers (joe dante, 1985)
the thousand eyes of dr. mabuse (fritz lang, 1960)
quatermass and the pit (roy ward baker, 1967)
20,000 leagues under the sea (richard fleischer, 1954)

rollerball (john mctiernan, 2002)
death race 2000 (paul bartel, 1975)
the damned (joseph losey, 1963)
wicked city (peter mak, 1992)
super inframan (hua shan, 1975)
metropolis (rintaro, 2001)
galaxy express 999 (rintaro, 1979)
the man who fell to earth (nicolas roeg, 1973)
2.0 (shankar, 2018)
crimes of the future (david cronenberg, 1975)
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Alright, here's my tentative final list. I might change it tonight since I'm still leaving out some stuff I know I'd like to have and I'm sure I've forgotten plenty of others I'll wish I added.

1 Interkosmos (Jim Finn 2006)
2 Woman in the Moon (Fritz Lang 1929)
3 The Incredible Shrinking Man (Jack Arnold 1957)
4 2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick 1968)
5 A Letter to Uncle Boonmee (Apichatpong Weerasethakul 2009)
6 A Trip to the Moon (Georges Melies 1902)
7 Werckmeister Harmonies (Bela Tarr 2000)
8 Invisible Adversaries (Valie Export 1977)
9 A.I. (Steven Spielberg 2001)
10 The Big Space Travel (Valentin Selivanov 1975)

11 Serial Experiments Lain (Ryûtarô Nakamura 1998)
12 The Fly (Kurt Neumann 1958)
13 The Island of Lost Souls (Erle C Kenton 1932)
14 Demonlover (Olivier Assayas 2002)
15 Pulse (Kiyoshi Kurosawa 2001)
16 Orlando (Sally Potter 1992)
17 Invasion (Hugo Santiago 1969)
18 Invaders from Mars (William Cameron Menzies 1953)
19 X: The Man with the X-Ray Eyes (Roger Corman 1963)
20 The General Line (Sergei Eisenstein, Grigori Aleksandrov 1929)

21 The Heart of the World (Guy Maddin 2000)
22 ZZZZZ - Outer Limits Episode (John Brahm 1964)
23 Phase IV (Saul Bass 1974)
24 The Blob (Irvin S Yeaworth 1958)
25 Quatermass and the Pit (Roy Ward Baker 1967)
26 Trouble in Mind (Alan Rudolph 1985)
27 The Extraordinary Adventures of Saturino Farandola (Marcel Perez 1913)
28 Mothra (Ishiro Honda 1961)
29 Beneath the Planet of the Apes (Ted Post 1970)
30 Message from Space (Kinji Fukasaku 1978)

31 Akira (Katsuhiro Otomo 1988)
32 Transatlantic Tunnel (Maurice Elvey 1935)
33 Demon Seed (Donald Cammell 1977)
34 Invasion of the Body Snatchers (Don Siegel 1956)
35 Alien (Ridley Scott 1979)
36 From Beyond (Stuart Gordon 1986)
37 The Face of Another (Hiroshi Teshigahara 1966)
38 Being John Malkovich (Spike Jonze 1999)
39 The Black Hole (Gary Nelson 1979)

40 Seconds (John Frankenheimer 1966)
41 Face/Off (John Woo 1997)
42 Phantasm (Don Coscarelli 1979)
43 Strange Days (Kathryn Bigelow 1995)
44 Annihilation (Alex Garland 2018)
45 Dune (David Lynch 1984)
46 In the Dust of the Stars (Gottfried Kolditz 1976)
47 20 Million Miles to Earth (Nathan H Juran 1957)
48 Solaris (Andrei Tarkvosky 1972)
49 The Colossus of New York (Eugene Lourie 1958)

50 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea (Richard Fleischer 1954)
51 Shin Godzilla (Hideaki Anno 2016)
52 Pitch Black (David Twohy 2000)
53 Hardware (Richard Stanley 1990)
54 The Monolith Monsters (John Sherwood 1957)
55 Kin-dza-dza! (Georgiy Daneliya 1986)
56 The Day the Earth Caught Fire (Val Guest 1961)
57 The Man Who Fell to Earth (Nicolas Roeg 1976)
58 Liquid Sky (Slava Tsukerman 1982)
59 Save the Green Planet (Jang Joon-hwan 2003)

60 Ghost in the Shell (Rupert Sanders 2017)
61 Videodrome (David Cronenberg 1983)
62 Amphibian Man (Vladimir Chebotaryov, Gennadi Kazansky 1961)
63 Tweedledum Aviator (Luigi Maggi 1911)
64 Silent Running (Douglas Trumbull 1972)
65 Paprika (Satoshi Kon 2006)
66 Funky Forest: First Contact (Katsuhito Ishii, Hajime Ishimine 2005)
67 The End of the World (August Blom 1916)
68 Splice (Vincenzo Natali 2009)
69 Loss of Feeling (Aleksandr Andriyevsky 1935)

70 Tetsuo: The Iron Man (Shinya Tsukamoto 1989)
71 Dark Star (John Carpenter 1974)
72 Night of the Comet (Thom Eberhardt 1984)
73 Dr Cyclops (Ernest B Schoedsack 1940)
74 The Aerial (Esteban Sapir 2007)
75 The Tingler (William Castle 1959)
76 Super Inframan (Hua Shan 1975)
77 Laserblast (Michael Rae 1978)
78 Lifeforce (Tobe Hooper 1985)
79 Westworld (Michael Crichton 1973)

80 The Golden Bat (Hajime Sato 1966)
81 The Devil Doll (Tod Browning 1936)
82 Last Night (Don McKellar 1998)
83 Ivan Vasilyevich Changes His Profession (Leonid Gayday 1973)
84 Blade Runner 2049 (Denis Villeneuve 2017)
85 Big Man Japan (Hitoshi Matsumoto 2007)
86 Riders to the Stars (Richard Carlson 1954)
87 Gantz (Shinsuke Sato 2010)
88 Cold Souls (Sophie Barthes 2009)
89 Doctor X (Michael Curtiz 1932)

90 Colossus: The Forbin Project (Joseph Sargent 1970)
91 The Amazing Screw-On Head (Chris Prynoski 2006)
92 Thunderbirds are GO (David Lane 1966)
93 Capricorn One (Peter Hyams 1977)
94 Prospect (Christopher Caldwell, Zeke Earl 2018)
95 Robot (S. Shankar, 2010)
96 The Man from Planet X (Edgar G Ulmer 1951)
97 The Snails (Rene Laloux 1966)
98 CJ7 (Stephen Chow 2008)
99 Morning Patrol (Nikos Nikolaidis 1987)
100 Interstellar (Christopher Nolan 2014)
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got my prelim list ready (sitting at sixty titles right now), but need tomorrow to get it finalized and tiered
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nrh wrote: Mon Dec 02, 2019 6:12 pm
big bang love juvenile a (takashi miike, 2006)
how could I have forgotten that one!?!?!?

Needs to go on my list! :cowboy:
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i'm thinking about starting to tally this today, i'll definitely wait until tomorrow to factor in ballots from wba, greg and thoxans, since they've all mentioned they might be posting/editing. if anyone else wants to edit a posted ballot, last chance! (and please let me know you're doing that, or intend to do it)
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one thing i forgot to ask - where would we slot something like masaaki yuasa's kaiba? a limited episode tv series with a single auteur (who directed or co-directed every episode)? it would be in my top tier if eligible but totally understand if it's not.
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i don't know anything about it, but if you think it should be eligible (in general, short-run tv series with a single director would be), i'll be happy to count votes for it!
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cool, just updated list to add it to the first tier.
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Aw, dang it. Now I gotta think about adding in Serial Experiments Lain and maybe some other anime.
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rischka wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:49 am i will need to do some research but will definitely include:
not sure if this is your final ballot, or if you were planning to add to it?
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castle in the sky (hayao miyazaki, 1986)
the deadly spawn (douglas mckeown, 1983)
doppelganger (kiyoshi kurosawa, 2003)
freaked (tom stern / alex winter, 1993)
the happening (m. night shyamalan, 2008)
the hole (tsai ming-liang, 1998)
new rose hotel (abel ferrara, 1998)
on the silver globe (andrzej zulawski, 1988)
starman (john carpenter, 1984)
starship troopers (paul verhoeven, 1997)
venus wars (yoshikazu yasuhiko, 1989)
world on a wire (rainer werner fassbinder, 1973)

dark star (john carpenter, 1974)
death watch (bertrand tavernier, 1980)
the face of another (hiroshi teshigahara, 1966)
the incredible shrinking man (jack arnold, 1957)
the man who fell to earth (nicolas roeg, 1976)
the nutty professor (jerry lewis, 1963)
sins of the fleshapoids (mike kuchar, 1965)
slugs (juan piquer simon, 1988)
strange days (katheryn bigelow, 1995)
total recall (paul verhoeven, 1990)
videodrome (david cronenberg, 1983)
x: the man with x-ray eyes (roger corman, 1963)

4:44 last day on earth (abel ferrara, 2011)
akira (katsuhiro otomo, 1988)
bill & ted's excellent adventure (stephen herek, 1989)
existenz (david cronenberg, 1999)
the fifth element (luc besson, 1997)
liquid sky (slava tsukerman, 1982)
nausicaä of the valley of the wind (hayao miyazaki, 1984)
predator (john mctiernan, 1987)
robocop (paul verhoeven, 1987)
a scanner darkly (richard linklater, 2006)
the thing (john carpenter, 1982)
war-gods of the deep (jacques tourneur, 1965)

bride of frankenstein (james whale, 1935)
deja vu (tony scott, 2006)
the fly (david cronenberg, 1986)
island of lost souls (erle c. kenton, 1932)
re-animator (stuart gordon, 1985)
repo man (alex cox, 1984)
seconds (john frankenheimer, 1966)
signs (m. night shyamalan, 2002)
solaris (andrei tarkovsky, 1972)
they live (john carpenter, 1988)
the wasp woman (roger corman, 1959)
zardoz (john boorman, 1974)

2001: a space odyssey (stanley kubrick, 1968)
alien (ridley scott, 1979)
alphaville (jean-luc godard, 1965)
back to the future (robert zemeckis, 1985)
escape from l.a. (john carpenter, 1996)
frankenstein (james whale, 1931)
gattaca (andrew niccol, 1997)
invasion of the body snatchers (philip kaufman, 1978)
the iron giant (brad bird, 1999)
scanners (david cronenberg, 1981)
the terminator (james cameron, 1984)
world of tomorrow (don hertzfeldt, 2015)
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crypt trotsky wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 3:42 pm i'm thinking about starting to tally this today, i'll definitely wait until tomorrow to factor in ballots from wba, greg and thoxans, since they've all mentioned they might be posting/editing. if anyone else wants to edit a posted ballot, last chance! (and please let me know you're doing that, or intend to do it)
I did my last edit on December 4th, and will try not to edit anymore. :)
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Eh, i could keep making changes for weeks, but might as well call it and go with what I've got now. Glad NRH had Trouble in Mind listed so I could add it, but the more I looked at other people's lists, the more stuff I remembered I would liked to add to my own, so I'll just wait until the big list is posted to go over other lists for all the stuff I missed.
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Umbugbene wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2019 2:19 pm 1.

umbugbene - i'm not sure from how you formatted your ballot how many tiers you wanted to have? it's in three tiers right now, but they're very unequal in size, which makes scoring difficult.
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[1-10]
2001: A Space Odyssey (Stanley Kubrick, 1968)
AI Artificial Intelligence (Steven Spielberg, 2001)
Blade Runner-Director's Cut (Ridley Scott, 1982)
Children of Men (Alfonso Cuarón, 2006)
The Empire Strikes Back (Irvin Kershner, 1980)
Eraserhead (David Lynch, 1977)
Invasión (Hugo Santiago, 1969)
La jetée (Chris Marker, 1962)
Stalker (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1979)
The Terminator (James Cameron, 1984)

[11-20]
Close Encounters of the Third Kind (Steven Spielberg, 1977)
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind (Michel Gondry, 2004)
The Hole (Tsai Ming-liang, 1998)
Howl's Moving Castle (Hayao Miyazaki, 2004)
Mad Max: Fury Road (George Miller, 2015)
The Matrix (Lana & Lilly Wachowski, 1999)
Rapture (Iván Zulueta, 1979)
Repo Man (Alex Cox, 1984)
The Sacrifice (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1986)
Until the End of the World (Wim Wenders, 1991)

[21-30]
Aelita, Queen of Mars (Yakov Protazanov, 1924)
Annihilation (Alex Garland, 2018)
Batman Begins (Christopher Nolan, 2005)
Death Watch (Bertrand Tavernier, 1980)
Halley (Sebastián Hoffman, 2013)
The Incredibles (Brad Bird, 2004)
King Kong (Merian C. Cooper, Ernest B. Schoedsack, 1933)
The Man Who Fell to Earth (Nicolas Roeg, 1976)
Melancholia (Lars von Trier, 2011)
Voyage to the Moon (George Meliés, 1902)

[31-40]
2046 (Wong Kar-wai, 2004)
Aliens (James Cameron, 1986)
Alphaville (Jean-Luc Godard, 1965)
The Andromeda Strain (Robert Wise, 1971)
Contact (Robert Zemeckis, 1997)
Eyes without a Face (Georges Franju, 1960)
The Incredible Shrinking Man (Jack Arnold, 1957)
Jurassic Park (Steven Spielberg, 1993)
Open Your Eyes (Alejandro Amenábar, 1997)
Solaris (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1972)

[41-50]
Alien (Ridley Scott, 1979)
Duck Dodgers in the 24½th Century (Chuck Jones, 1953)
Innerspace (Joe Dante, 1987)
Metropolis (Fritz Lang, 1926)
Minority Report (Steven Spielberg, 2002)
Muta (Lucrecia Martel, 2011)
Night of the Living Dead (George A. Romero, 1968)
A Scanner Darkly (Richard Linklater, 2006)
Star Wars (George Lucas, 1977)
Videodrome (David Cronenberg, 1983)

[51-60]
The Abyss (James Cameron, 1989)
The Aerial (Esteban Sapir, 2007)
The Bride of Frankenstein (James Whale, 1935)
Frankenstein (James Whale, 1931)
The Host (Bong Joon-ho, 2006)
The Iron Giant (Brad Bird, 1999)
Jacob's Ladder (Adrian Lyne, 1990)
Mad Max 2 (George Miller, 1982)
The Thing (John Carpenter, 1982)
Things to Come (William Cameron Menzies, 1936)

[61-70]
Cloverfield (Matt Reeves, 2008)
Eclipse: Courtship of the Sun and the Moon (George Meliés, 1907)
Gattaca (Andrew Niccol, 1997)
Godzilla (Ishirô Honda, 1954)
Inside Out (Pete Docter, Ronnie Del Carmen, 2015)
The Return of the Jedi (Richard Marquand, 1983)
Soylent Green (Richard Fleischer, 1973)
Speed Racer (Lana & Lilly Wachowski, 2008)
Starman (John Carpenter, 1984)
The Truman Show (Peter Weir, 1998)
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crypt trotsky wrote: Wed Dec 04, 2019 8:21 pm
rischka wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2019 1:49 am i will need to do some research but will definitely include:
not sure if this is your final ballot, or if you were planning to add to it?
nah go ahead i think i'm good 8-)
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crypt trotsky wrote: Thu Dec 05, 2019 7:34 pmumbugbene - i'm not sure from how you formatted your ballot how many tiers you wanted to have? it's in three tiers right now, but they're very unequal in size, which makes scoring difficult.
Oops, fixed now.
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twodeadmagpies wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:51 pm i'l be watching more than that though, so flip, mid to pushing out the end of november would be great
tdm, were you planning to add to or rank your ballot? i'm mid-tally right now, i'll save yours for last
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crypt trotsky wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2019 6:14 am
twodeadmagpies wrote: Tue Oct 22, 2019 9:51 pm i'l be watching more than that though, so flip, mid to pushing out the end of november would be great
tdm, were you planning to add to or rank your ballot? i'm mid-tally right now, i'll save yours for last
thanks flip for waiting, i'm ashamed to say i didn't watch as many as i thought i would, and i've just got a random amount of the list because i can't push it to a whole number, want me to cut some off? it's unranked apart from if i could give stalker all the points ever. but at your discretion :) i've amended original post, and reposted here, just in case

final edit:
1. stalker (andrei tarkovsky, 1979)
hard to be a god (aleksei german, 2013)
morning patrol (nikos nikolaidis, 1987)
on the silver globe (Andrzej Żuławski, 1988)
death watch (bertrand tavernier, 1980)
slow action (ben rivers, 2011)
the end of august at the hotel ozone (jan schmidt, 1967)
the falls (peter greenaway, 1980)
kin dza dza! (Georgiy Daneliya, 1986)
spaceballs (mel brooks, 1987)
zardoz (john boorman, 1974)
la jetee (chris marker, 1962)
dead man's letters (Konstantin Lopushansky, 1986)
les creatures (agnès varda, 1966)
the man from planet x (edgar g ulmer, 1951)
a bomb was stolen (Ion Popescu-Gopo, 1961)
the thousand eyes of dr. mabuse (fritz lang, 1960)
onesime clockmaker (jean durand, 1912)
amphibian man (Vladimir Chebotaryov, Gennadiy Kazanskiy, 1962)
anti-clock (jane arden, jack bond, 1979)
invasion (hugo santiago, 1969)
the end of the world (august blom, 1916)
Invisible Adversaries (Valie Export 1977)
The Extraordinary Adventures of Saturino Farandola (Marcel Perez 1913)
Demon Seed (Donald Cammell 1977)
The Snails (Rene Laloux 1966)
crimes of the future (david cronenberg, 1975)
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The Extraordinary Adventures of Saturino Farandola (Marcel Perez 1913)
Yay! A second vote!
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only cuz you added it! would never have called it sci-fi but i'm not sure where else i'd ever get to vote for it (unless there's a bonkers poll) and i'd like to vote for it somewhere, so here will do!
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Heh. It plays like crazypants Jules Verne so I figured it's as close to sci-fi as anything else. I must add that it beat Edgar Rice Burrough's Tarzan to the raised by apes thing too, so, yeah, it needs to find a spot somewhere in these polls.
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