SCFZ 2020 Academy Awards Poll

[flip]

The Academy Award nominations have been announced. For our never-very-popular annual Academy Awards poll, using the official nominations, you can vote in any category you like. The rules:

- if you have not seen at least half of the nominees in a category, you can't vote in that category, except in the Best Picture category
- for Best Pic, if you have seen 3, you can post a top one, if you have seen 4-5 films, you can post a top two, if you have seen 6-7 films, you can post a top three, and if you have seen all eight, you can post a top four. If you haven't seen 3, you cannot vote
- for the other categories, you can post a top two list if you have seen 3-4 films, or a top three if you have seen every nominee
- ballots must be ranked, scoring as in the poll above
- for any category that garners two or more ballots, I'll tally the results and we'll award the SCFZ alternative Oscars accordingly

nominees can be found here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/93rd_Academy_Awards

[flip]

might be final now, watched everything with 2+ nominations

Best Picture (seen all eight)

1. Judas and the Black Messiah
2. The Trial of the Chicago 7
3. Minari
4. Promising Young Woman
___
[5. The Father]
[6. Mank]
[7. Sound of Metal]
[8. Nomadland]

Best Director (seen all five)
1. Thomas Vinterberg / Another Round
2. Lee Isaac Chung / Minari
3. Emerald Fennell / Promising Young Woman
__
[4. David Fincher / Mank]
[5. Chloe Zhao / Nomadland]

Best Actor (seen all five)
1. Chadwick Boseman / Ma Rainey's Black Bottom
2. Steven Yuen / Minari
3. Gary Oldman / Mank
__
[4. Anthony Hopkins / The Father]
[5. Riz Ahmed / Sound of Metal]

Best Actress (seen all - top three are great, could put any of them first)
1. Andra Davis / The United States vs Billie Holiday
2. Vanessa Kirby / Pieces of a Woman
3. Viola Davis / Ma Rainey's Black Bottom
__
[4. Frances McDormand / Nomadland]
[5. Carey Mulligan / Promising Young Woman]

Best Supporting Actor (seen all five, strong category this year)
1. Lakeith Stanfield / Judas and the Black Messiah
2. Daniel Kaluuya / Judas and the Black Messiah
3. Leslie Odom Jr / One Night in Miami...
__
[4. Paul Raci / Sound of Metal]
[5. Sacha Baron Cohen / The Trial of the Chicago 7]

Best Supporting Actress (seen all five)
1. Glenn Close / Hillbilly Elegy
2. Youn Yuh-jung / Minari
__
[3. Amanda Seyfried / Mank]
[4. Olivia Colman / The Father]
[5. Maria Bakalova / Borat Subsequent Moviefilm]

Best Original Screenplay (seen all five)
1. The Trial of the Chicago 7
2. Judas and the Black Messiah
3. Minari
__
[4. Promising Young Woman]
[5. Sound of Metal]

Best Adapted Screenplay (seen four)
um... these are all terrible
1. The Father
2. One Night in Miami...
__
[3. Nomadland]
[4. Borat Subsequent Moviefilm]

Best Animated Feature (seen one)

Best International Feature (seen one)

Best Documentary Feature (seen zero)

Best Documentary Short (seen zero)

Best Live Action Short (seen zero)

Best Animated Short (seen zero)

Best Production Design (seen all five)
1. Mank
2. News of the World
3. The Father
__
[4. Ma Rainey's Black Bottom]
[5. Tenet]

Best Cinematography (seen all five)
1. Judas and the Black Messiah
2. News of the World
3. Nomadland
__
[4. Mank]
[5. The Trial of the Chicago 7]

Best Costume Design (seen all five)
1. Emma.
2. Mulan
3. Ma Rainey's Black Bottom
__
[4. Pinocchio]
[5. Mank]

Best Makeup and Hairstyling (seen all five)
1. Emma.
2. Ma Rainey's Black Bottom
3. Hillbilly Elegy
__
[4. Pinocchio]
[5. Mank]

Best Original Score (seen all five)
1. News of the World
2. Soul
3. Da 5 Bloods
___
[4. Minari]
[5. Mank]

Best Original Song (seen four)
1. "Husavik" / Eurovision Song Contest: The Story of Fire Saga
2. "Speak Now" / One Night in Miami...
___
[3. "Hear My Voice" / The Trial of the Chicago 7]
[4. "Fight for You" / Judas and the Black Messiah]

Best Sound (seen four)
1. Sound of Metal
2. Soul
__
[3. News of the World]
[4. Mank]

Best Film Editing (seen all five)
1. Promising Young Woman
2. The Trial of the Chicago 7
3. Sound of Metal
___
[4. The Father]
[5. Nomadland]

Best Visual Effects (seen two)

[flip]

i listed all the categories above, so feel free to copy/paste if it saves time!

and when will the academy do away with the gender divisions in acting categories? or is there a justification for preserving them? can a non-binary actor win an oscar?

i hate the oscars but still run this poll every year

[Monsieur Arkadin]

My wife and I started the slog of trying to see as many nominated films as possible last night. Started with Pieces of a Woman which was the only one not yet seen that I had immediate access to. God, I hope it's all uphill from there. I'll watch more, so I'll definitely update my ballot, but that movie made me want to give up on the whole endeavor.

*Edit. I believe I've seen everything I'm going to get to before tomorrow night. Not really stoked about anything. Mank remains the most interesting film for investigation and the only one that seems to play with form in a remotely interesting way. Pleasantly surprised by Judas and the Black Messiah, but it remains a relatively typical historical/biographical piece for me except in its basic subject matter.

Best Picture (seen four)
1. Mank
2. Judas and the Black Messiah

Best Director (seen three)
1. Thomas Vinterberg

Best Actor (seen two)

Best Actress (seen three)
1. Viola Davis
2. Vanessa Kirby

Best Supporting Actor (seen three)
1, Daniel Kaluuya

Best Supporting Actress (seen one)

Best Original Screenplay (seen two)

Best Adapted Screenplay (seen one)

Best Animated Feature (seen zero)

Best International Feature (seen two)

Best Documentary Feature (seen one)

Best Documentary Short (seen zero)

Best Live Action Short (seen one)

Best Animated Short (seen zero)

Best Production Design (seen two)

Best Cinematography (seen four)
1. Nomadland
2. Mank

Best Costume Design (seen two)

Best Makeup and Hairstyling (seen two)

Best Original Score (seen two)

Best Original Song (seen one)

Best Sound (seen one)

Best Film Editing (seen two)

Best Visual Effects (seen zero)

[flip]

Started with Pieces of a Woman which was the only one not yet seen that I had immediate access to. God, I hope it's all uphill from there. I'll watch more, so I'll definitely update my ballot, but that movie made me want to give up on the whole endeavor.

lol, i completely agree with that, though i did think vanessa kirby was mostly outstanding.

[john ryan]

I find this year's nominees to be both better than the average year and also totally uninspiring. I overall enjoyed Judas and the Black Messiah (and especially enjoyed Daniel Kauuya in it), but it had some real issues that I'm still trying to reconcile. That's easily the best of the Best Picture bunch for me, though I haven't yet seen The Father.

Best Picture (seen eight)

1. Judas and the Black Messiah
2. Sound of Metal
3. Minari
4. Nomadland

Best Director (seen five)

1. Thomas Vinterberg / Another Round
2. Lee Isaac Chung / Minari
3. David Fincher / Mank

Best Actor (seen five)

1. Riz Ahmed / Sound of Metal
2. Gary Oldman / Mank
3. Steven Yuen / Minari

Best Actress (seen five)

1. Frances McDormand / Nomadland
2. Andra Day / The United States vs Billie Holiday
3. Vanessa Kirby / Pieces of a Woman

Best Supporting Actor (seen five)

1. Daniel Kaluuya / Judas and the Black Messiah
2. Paul Raci / Sound of Metal
3. Leslie Odom Jr. / One Night in Miami...

Best Supporting Actress (seen five)

1. Amanda Seyfried / Mank
2. Maria Bakalova / Borat Subsequent Movie Film
3. Youn Yuh-jung / Minari

Best Original Screenplay (seen five)

1. Judas and the Black Messiah
2. Sound of Metal
3. Minari

(I have significant problems with the writing of all three of these movies)

Best Adapted Screenplay (seen five)

1. Borat Subsequent Movie Film (pretty sure this didn't have much of a screenplay)
2. One Night in Miami...
3. Nomadland

Best Animated Feature (seen five)

1. Wolfwalkers
2. Soul
3. A Shawn the Sheep Movie: Farmageddon

Best International Feature (seen four)

1. Another Round
2. Collective

Best Documentary Feature (seen five)

1. Time
2. Collective
3. Crip Camp

Best Documentary Short (seen one)

Best Live Action Short (seen zero)

Best Animated Short (seen two)

Best Production Design (seen five)

1. Mank
2. Ma Rainey's Black Bottom
3. Tenet

Best Cinematography (seen five) (I hate this category this year)
1. Mank
2. News of the World
3. Nomadland

Best Costume Design (seen five)

1. Emma
2. Ma Rainey's Black Bottom
3. Mank

Best Makeup and Hairstyling (seen five)

1. Emma
2. Ma Rainey's Black Bottom
3. Mank

Best Original Score (seen five)
1. Soul
2. Minari
3. Da Five Bloods

Best Original Song (seen five)

1. "Husavik" / Eurovision
2. "Speak Now" / One Night in Miami...
3. "Fight for You" / Judas and the Black Messiah

Best Sound (seen five)

1. Sound of Metal
2. Greyhound
3. Soul

Best Film Editing (seen five) (ugh)

1. The Trial of the Chicago 7
2. Sound of Metal
3. The Father

Best Visual Effects (seen four)

1. Tenet
2. The Midnight Sky

[Curtis, baby]

I never watch these but thought hey, maybe I will watch some this yr... there weren't that many 2020 movies, and these are mostly some easy watching business, but then I look up the runtimes. 126 minutes. 131 minutes. 119 minutes.

Whatever happened to good old 60-90 minute film? Remember the 20s? The Unknown, Laugh Clown Laugh, Lonesome, Berlin Symphony of a City, Man with a Movie Camera... now those were movies! Fucking dialogue ruined everything.

[flip]

just watched Emma. and of all the films i've seen nominated for anything, it's the best i've seen so far, still many to watch though

[Monsieur Arkadin]

Wings was 145 minutes... so the run times might just be an Oscars thing.

[john ryan]

just watched Emma. and of all the films i've seen nominated for anything, it's the best i've seen so far, still many to watch though

I loved Emma. I have it and Another Round as the best of the nominees in any category, so far.

[Holymanm]

only seen borat, which.... was nominated for awards........?

do hope to see minari one day though!

[thoxans]

could see this being a fun exercise for some further back years where peeps have likely seen more, but i have seen literally nothing that's nominated this year, and actually haven't even heard of more than half of the titles. however, i do look forward to the laughably inevitable #oscarssoasian backlash that's sure to happen at some point down the road

[Searchlike]

I don't see myself voting, but I may watch the short films if I can find them. I just hope we don't choose the same best picture as the academy. That would depress me.

[flip]

I don't see myself voting, but I may watch the short films if I can find them. I just hope we don't choose the same best picture as the academy. That would depress me.

at least as of a week ago, the betting odds had nomadland a 3 to 1 favourite to win against the field (so if you bet $1 on all seven other nominees, you'd win an additional $3 if any of them won), so there's apparently an overwhelming favourite. we'll see, i'd bet on the field at those odds, but so far the prohibitive favourite is not faring well on the two ballots in this thread so far.

[Curtis, baby]

Has a deceased person ever won actor actress or director before?

[MrCarmady]

Finch for Network and Ledger for The Dark Knight? There's probably more that I can't think of.

[Searchlike]

I have another existential question about awards and death. Are actors more likely to win an oscar if they portray a dying person or have a dead scene somewhere in the picture? I love how playing dead is seen as such a valuable skill for both actors and dogs, yet I'm not entirely sure this is the case or just a myth.

[grabmymask]

Dismal choices overall

Best Picture (seen all)
1. Sound of Metal
2. The Father
3. Mank
4. Judas and the Black Messiah
--------------
5. Minari
6. Nomadland
7. Trial of the Chicago Seven
8. Promising Young Woman

Best Director (seen all)
1. David Fincher / Mank
2. Thomas Vinterberg / Another Round
3. Lee Isaac Chung / Minari
--------------
4. Chloe Zhao / Nomadland
5. Emerald Fennell / Promising Young Woman

Best Actor (seen four)
1. Anthony Hopkins / The Father
2. Riz Ahmed / Sound of Metal
--------------
3. Gary Oldman / Mank
4. Steven Yeun / Minari

Best Supporting Actor (seen four)
1. Daniel Kaluuya / Judas and the Black Messiah
2. Lakeith Stanfiled / Judas and the Black Messiah
--------------
3. Paul Raci / Sound of Metal
4. Sacha Baron Cohen / The Trial of the Chicago 7

Best Actress (seen two, but didn’t like either so I’m abstaining from this one)

Best Supporting Actress (seen four)
1. Maria Bakalova / Borat Subsequent Moviefilm
2. Olivia Colman / The Father
--------------
3. Yuh-Jung Youn / Minari
4. Amanda Seyfried / Mank

Animated Feature (seen one)

Cinematography (seen four)
1. Erik Messerschmidt / Mank
2. San Bobbitt / Judas and the Black Messiah
--------------
3. Joshua James Richards / Nomadland
4. Phedon Papamichael / The Trial of the Chicago 7

Costume Design (seen two)
1. Alexandra Byrne / Emma
--------------
2. Trish Summerville / Mank

Documentary (seen one)

Documentary Short (seen zilch)

Film editing (seen all, only gonna vote for my top two though)
1. Mikkel E. G. Nielsen / Sound of Metal
2. Yorgos Lamprinos / The Father
--------------
3. Alan Baumgarten / The Trial of the Chicago 7
4. Chloe Zhao / Nomadland
5. Frederic Thoraval / Promising Young Woman

International Feature (seen one)

Makeup and Hairstyling (seen two)
1. Marese Langan, Laura Allen and Claudia Stolze / Emma
--------------
2. Gigi Williams, Kimberley Spiteri and Colleen LaBaff / Mank

Original Score (seen four)
1. Trent Reznor, Atticus Ross and Jon Batiste / Soul
1. Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross / Mank
--------------
2. Emile Mosseri / Minari
3. Da 5 Bloods / Terence Blanchard

Original Song (seen two, but this is a silly category so I’m abstaining)

Production Design (seen three)
1. Nathan Crowley and Kathy Lucas / Tenet
--------------
2. Donald Graham Burt and Jan Pascale / Mank
3. Peter Francis and Cathy Featherstone / The Father

Animated Short (seen zlich)

Live Short (seen zilch)

Sound (seen three)
1. Nicolas Becker, Jaime Baksht, Michellee Couttolenc, Carlos Cortés and Phillip Bladh / Sound of Metal
--------------
2. Ren Klyce, Coya Elliott and David Parker / Soul
3. Nathan Nance and Drew Kunin / Mank

VFX (seen one)

Adapted Screenplay (seen three)
1. Christopher Hampton and Florian Zeller / The Father
--------------
2. Sacha Baron Cohen & Anthony Hines & Dan Swimer & Peter Baynham & Erica Rivinoja & Dan Mazer & Jena Friedman & Lee Kern / Borat Subsequent Moviefilm
3. Chloe Zhao / Nomadland

Original Screenplay (seen all)
1. Darius Marder & Abraham Marder & Derek Cianfrance / Sound of Metal
2. Will Berson & Shaka King and Kenny Lucas & Keith Lucas / Judas and the Black Messiah
3. Lee Isaac Chung / Minari
--------------
4. Emerald Fennell / Promising Young Woman
5. Aaron Sorkin / The Trial of the Chicago 7

[ofrene]

Best Picture (seen all)
1. Judas and the Black Messiah
2. Sound of Metal
3. The Father
4. Mank

Best Director (seen 4)
1. David Fincher
2. Lee Isaac Chung

Best Actor (seen all)
1. Anthony Hopkins
2. Riz Ahmed
3. Chadwick Boseman

Best Actress (seen 4)
1. Viola Davis
2. Frances McDormand

Best Supporting Actor (seen all)
1. Daniel Kaluuya
2. Paul Raci
3. Leslie Odom Jr.

Best Supporting Actress (seen 4)
1. Yuh-Jung Youn
2. Amanda Seyfried

Best Original Screenplay (seen all)
1. Judas and the Black Messiah
2. Sound of Metal
3. The Trial of the Chicago 7

Best Adapted Screenplay (seen 3)
1. The Father

Best Animated Feature (seen 3)
1. Wolfwalkers

Best International Feature (seen 1)

Best Documentary Feature (seen 2)
(1. Time)

Best Documentary Short (seen zero)

Best Live Action Short (seen zero)

Best Animated Short (seen 2)

Best Production Design (seen 4)
1. Mank
2. Ma Rainey's Black Bottom

Best Cinematography (seen 4)
1. Nomadland
2. Mank

Best Costume Design (seen 3)
1. Emma.

Best Makeup and Hairstyling (seen 4)
1. Emma.
2. Mank

Best Original Score (seen 4)
1. Soul
2. Minari

Best Original Song (seen 3)
1. One Night in Miami

Best Sound (seen 3)
1. Sound of Metal

Best Film Editing (seen all)
1. The Father
2. Sound of Metal
3. The Trial of the Chicago 7

Best Visual Effects (seen 2)

[flip]

thanks to everyone who revived this and the best-of-2020 poll, deadline coming up soon! i'll be tallying these on saturday, though i'll likely be able to accommodate late ballots on sunday before the oscars start. it will be easiest for me though if everyone can plan to post their final ballot by friday.

i have a fair bit going on in real life at the moment, so i'm going to get back to the directors polls in about a week's time, rather than this week

[flip]

okay... i am officially starting to tally this up in about ten minutes. so as usual, that means:

- new ballots are perfectly fine, i'll probably take them up until sunday morning montreal time
- but if you want to edit a ballot you posted above, please don't edit your post. instead, quote your old ballot in a new post (just the categories you've updated), along with your updated ballot, so i can see what's changed. edits also fine up until sunday morning.

thanks as always!

[flip]

Dismal choices overall

tallied everything so far, grabmymask -- i didn't count your votes in categories when you said you'd only seen 2 (you need to see 3+ to vote), but if you've now seen more, let me know. and in the later categories (product design, adapted script, sound) you're eligible to vote for 2 if you want to, but because for now i only counted votes 'above the line' on your ballot.

[flip]

we also have three ties as far as things go right now, so if anyone wasn't inclined to go to the effort to vote, but has seen enough films to vote in any of these categories, those votes would help as a tiebreaker:

best actress
best supporting actress
best editing

[flip]

i managed to break the ties in the acting categories by looking only at ballots from voters who had seen both of the tied performers, and then using just the ranking on those ballots to break the tie.

the problem is, in the editing category, there's a 3-way tie right now, and using the fairest tiebreaker, all three remain exactly tied. so if anyone wasn't planning to vote, but has seen some of the editing nominees, or if anyone wanted to edit their best editing rankings to break the tie, please post here! i don't know how else to break the tie, but i guess i'll look up the betting odds and rank the least favoured film first, failing any better method.

i'll announce results in about 3-5 hours, so last chance to post ballots or edit them!

[grabmymask]

Since no one else is biting, I edited my ballot to break the editing tie. My top two were basically tied anyway.

[flip]

cool, thanks! now we have winners in every category, unless late ballots come in (i'll accept them until noon here, in an hour)

[flip]

scfz has awarded the first few Academy Awards to...

RESULTS

Best Visual Effects: Tenet

Best Film Editing: Sound of Metal

Best Sound Sound of Metal

Best Original Song: "Husavik" / Eurovision Song Contest: The Story of Fire Saga

Best Original Score: Soul

[flip]

... and the next few awards go to:

Best Makeup and Hairstyling: Emma.

Best Costume Design: Emma.

Best Cinematography: Nomadland

Best Production Design: Mank

Best Documentary Short: no award

Best Live Action Short: no award

Best Animated Short: no award

[flip]

... and the next few awards go to:

Best Documentary Feature: Time (Garrett Bradley)

Best International Feature: Another Round (Thomas Vinterberg)

Best Animated Feature: Wolfwalkers (Tomm Moore/Ross Stewart)

Best Adapted Screenplay: The Father

Best Original Screenplay: Judas and the Black Messiah

[flip]

...and the "major" awards go to:

Best Supporting Actress: Youn Yuh-jung / Minari

Best Supporting Actor: Daniel Kaluuya / Judas and the Black Messiah

Best Actress: Andra Davis / The United States vs Billie Holiday

Best Actor: Riz Ahmed / Sound of Metal

Best Director: Thomas Vinterberg / Another Round